What's next for projectors? Epson, Sony & JVC's next moves

kenshingintoki

Distinguished Member
Yes my LS10000 had superb contrast, the N5 probably goes a little bit deeper but there’s really not much in it at all. The N7 is probably a bit better again. There’s an old review on projectorreviews.com I think, or possibly on a French / German comparison, that shows the LS10000 had deeper black levels and better motion than the 9300.

Having said that, the LS10000 was rated at 1500 lumens and the N5 1700, but the JVC is so much brighter IMO it’s a massive difference. On the LS10000 I’d have to have the lamp on high mode when the filter kicked in for WCG, but on the N5 as there’s no filter I can happily run HDR content on low lamp mode and the colours still look brilliant to me. Certainly not restricted in normal comparison with the Epson.


Cheers mate.. from my research whats you've said coincides with what other ppl say too! :)

what size screen are you running?
 

ask4me2

Active Member
Have you put a date on this dream, I think we will have landed on Mars before this will ever happen.
No, i do not expect it will happen any time soon, but if/when other manufacturers are allowed to use the contrast chip technology, i guess it might revolutionize HDR for home cinema projectors too.
 

3rdignis

Active Member
I would like to see a dual layer projector.
 

Furnace Inferno

Well-known Member
The LS10000 doesn’t have HDR so surely you were doing SDR with BT2020 so brightness wouldn’t have factored in?

Having seen the JVC NX7 compared to my LS10500 and in the correct HDR brightness setting even though mine is on an ALR screen in a white living room and the JVC in a blacked out room the NX7 was better by enough to make me switch. Although admittedly in HDR I do run in high lamp mode but then I think for HDR and 3D you should be anyway like on a TV to get the most from HDR provided it doesn’t just raise black levels like the crappy edge-lit LED TVs.

That being said I would seriously consider swapping to an NX7 for the features the Epson is lacking and being able to get rid of the HDFury with 4K/60fps HDR content but then no laser and annoyingly no automatic lens cover is a bummer and the only other laser in town is more than I’d want to pay.
 

GrazzaB

Well-known Member
Hi @Furnace Inferno you’re right it was SDR BT2020 but to reach the wide colour gamut it still had to engage the colour filter. So the effect was basically very similar.

Also re. the lens cover it’s not as nice as the LS10000’s sliding mechanical cover, but to be honest it’s a non issue for me as I leave the cover off if I’m going to be watching something the next day, but otherwise just pop it back on.
 

IWC Dopplel

Distinguished Member
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Was the Epson LS10000 really close to the JVC contrast wise? I thought the LS1000/10500 were similar to the 9300/9400?
The 9400 measures significantly less well with contrast than the 10,000, both tests form the German site Cine4home.de

When I did a lot of checking at raised APL's the 10500 was very good indeed clawing back against the better JVC's by 1% APL and improving by 2-5%. I dont have the figures for the N series this was an older JVC 9500 in the numbers mentioned above (from various sites and reviews)

Contrast for epson 9400 vs 10,000 below

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By the way the Christie (21m:1 at 0%) is hitting 83,000:1 at 1% APL, the best I have seen for any other PJ is 8,000:1 and at 2% its still hitting 44,000:1 against 5,0000:1 o_O just need the larger house to fit it and the £100k...
 

Luminated67

Distinguished Member
^And telling me, how many hours per week do you spend watching something on your projector. o_O

You need to factor that in to your £100k purchase. LOL

I’ve worked out mine and it’s approximately 3.6hrs per week. :(
 

alebonau

Well-known Member
I’ve worked out mine and it’s approximately 3.6hrs per week

but have you enjoyed those 3.6 hours a week ! :D

that used to be me... some weeks would go where we didnt watch anything at all...some weeks we'd binge watch :D

but last year after we got the jvc n7 we have watched more on the projector than ever ! and have put on 500 hours over 1.5 years or 6.4 hours a week...but thats not typical as equates to 3 movies a week and best we'd manage is 1 - 2 typically ..

covid to blame :D watching quite a bit at home... all those weeks of lockdown...not going anywhere much :D didnt even go on holidays ! 6.5 hours a week is still not a lot ... but way i see it id rather quality over quantity and as long as we are enjoying it is all worth it :)
 

IWC Dopplel

Distinguished Member
I’ve done 780hrs in 27m so about 6.5 per week....


If you kept the Christie for 10 years then this is £250 an hour or £500 a film 😳
 

Deevad

Novice Member
Hi .

I'm really interested in this topic. I'm going to buy epson tw9400 for my living room with an alr screen.

It's going to be my first projector. My only concern is buying it if a new one from epson at the same price range arrives a month after.

That's what holding me right now as I don't want to regret my purchase...

Do you guys know if there is a recurring cycle of new products at epson ? If yes, are we close to it ?

Thanks for your help
 

Praetorpwj

Active Member
Hi .

I'm really interested in this topic. I'm going to buy epson tw9400 for my living room with an alr screen.

It's going to be my first projector. My only concern is buying it if a new one from epson at the same price range arrives a month after.

That's what holding me right now as I don't want to regret my purchase...

Do you guys know if there is a recurring cycle of new products at epson ? If yes, are we close to it ?

Thanks for your help
You don’t traditionally get projector news until September so I’d hold off until then at least.

Even if new models are announced I doubt there will be much availability until next year.
 

DLxP

Well-known Member
Just calculated and it looks like I'm on 16.7 hours a week!

Still can't justify/afford a Christie though 😢
 

mntwister

Standard Member
Very interesting topic. I have the JVC rs-4910 and am thinking it is time for me to upgrade to 4k. I skipped last year as no new models came out, but I am hoping this year JVC will issue 3 new projectors. What I would like to see which is part of the reason I have been waiting, is 2 changes to the rs-1000 and rs-2000. I would like to see Dolby Vision and on the 2 models I would like to see e-shift brought down to the lower tier 2 models like they did on the rs-3000 (n-9). I am surprised no one mentioned these 2 features as desirable for new models. 3D is an absolute must and I don't think JVC would take away 3D. And I agree that it would be really nice to see an upgrade in the lumens. Anyone have any information on the possibilities for Dolby Vision and e-shift on the 1000 and 2000 upgrades?
 

GrazzaB

Well-known Member
I doubt you’d get Dolby Vision as the HDR tone mapping does in broad terms a similar job, but I agree it would be very nice to have it done at source and I would have also thought a PJ would be a good candidate for DV due to its limited dynamic range. Re. E-shift, JVC have never done it on anything but their top model so I would imagine it’s unlikely. Having said all that, I do think the next range will need a serious leap to make people want to upgrade as the N series have basically encapsulated two or three model revisions going by past JVC model updates (eg 7000-7500-7900 etc).

One further thought: the N5 is absolutely fantastic brightness wise, I can use low lamp with HDR content on a 113” screen and it’s still very bright and punchy. I wish JVC would add a medium lamp mode for its PJs though, as moving up to high lamp mode is incredible with some material for HDR, but the fan noise is not very quiet at all!
 

DaViD Boulet

Standard Member
Seems relevant to this thread... albeit only unconfirmed rumor (though from a generally credible source): JVC to introduce laser into the "N" series (and Z1):


 

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