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What's better for £800 than a 3805?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by mikeaitch, Jan 29, 2005.

  1. mikeaitch

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    Just missed a 3805 on the classifieds- was going to get a 2805 but the near miss has left me hankering after a 3805

    I need HDTV switching, and wondered if there's something better about for my hard earned....
     
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    You can get a yammie 2500 for cheaper, otherwise there is a jump to the next level.

    What do you want music/ht? which would you see your self using more, and is HD/surround audio important to you?
     
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    I gave up on music to a large extent when I moved to AV with a 3801 :rolleyes:

    Mostly ht is my expectation, but it would be nice to have some straight music capability

    Will look at the 2500, Thanks
     
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    The 2500 with pure direct is impressive, turns into a good 2 channel power amp.

    Pioneer is good for HT althoguh i think they are abit expensive compared to their direct competition.

    Look at the new marantz, will not be discounted yet but will certainly be good for music and goo for films. Look at the 7500 or the 8500 if ou could afford it.
     
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    There aren't really any bad AV amplifiers around at the moment but most have different features and a different balance to their sound. Some are "inyerface" with plenty of attack and slam (Pioneer and Sony are known for this) whilst others take a more relaxed approach going for clarity and dialogue reproduction amongst other things (Marantz is known for this). It's important to match your choice of amp with your speakers so that you don't end up going too far in one direction with the sound.

    The Marantz 7500 is in your price bracket and is worth a demo, the 8500 is more expensive but does have HDMI (might be DVI?) switching. Also consider the Arcam AVR250 as well as what's been suggested. Some of the Onkyo models are also highly regarded.
     
  6. mikeaitch

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    Interesting replies :smashin:

    I can see that there's possibly a new gen around the corner, with HDMI switching for instance, so I don't want to sell myself short by jumping in too soon. On the other hand, I have no amp at the moment :rolleyes:

    Time to do some research I think!

    My L/R/C is effectively the old KEF reference 4-2 setup but in wall for L and R

    I reckon they will respond well to good amplification.

    My other option is to buy a cheapie for now and wait a bit- but I'll only do that if the wait isn't too long!

    Is the Pioneer mentioned the 2104i?
     
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    Yea or the AX5i both are quite expensive imho.
    But remeber other makes like nad, harman and arcam all have excellent amps.
    But i think Pioneer, Denon and Yamaha are probably know for their HT petegree and in my opinion the sony's at this price range need an update as they are bit behind in the times.
     
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    How much extra do I need to spend to get the next step up quality wise?
     
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    Usualy flagship which is about 3x the amount :(. The 8500 could be considered a step above the 3805 and 2500 ect...
     
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    The 8500 has DVI switching, 2 in 1 out.
     
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    Buying a cheapy would be false economy as the Kefs would just destroy the amp if it has a poor power supply.

    IMHO There seems to be a distinct lack of amps in the £1000 - £2000 range except the Arcam 300. Then your looking at pre and pro systems
     
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    Yamaha 2500 for around £520? Must be a winner!

    Marantz looks great but prices will be high for a while...

    Any reason why the yammy doesn't destroy the other options on a vfm basis?
     
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    £520 for the Yammy 2500 is a bit of a bargain, where did you see that?

    I personally think the SR8500 would be the way to go, but the 2500 should not be ignored at that price! :eek: :smashin:


    EDIT: Looking at your current speakers, I'd push more for the Marantz, they can provide more stable power than the amps in the Yamaha and would do them more justice than the Yamaha imho, the 2500 is a fantastic amp, don't get me wrong, and at £520 it is almost a no brainer...until I saw your speakers :D
     
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    I'm sure that's a Germany price.
     
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    I dont suppose anybody knows of a review of Marantz 8500?
     
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    Kazman, it was the Germany price, but with COD on offer and a 4-6 day delivery I don't see a problem

    The Marantz will be swiftly followed by everyone else's DVI or HDMI switching amps. I can't afford to do without that long, so £520 seems a good comprimise and if the decoding's good maybe I'll buy a Rotel 1095 or 1075 or something to beef up or even Bi Amp :devil:

    What price the 3806 et al having the feature?

    BTW, Ive seen the 2500 in UK dealers for £900 :eek:
     
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    Bit of extra outlay but the Arcam AVR300 (no DVI/hdmi switching - good for music) would be my suggestion for an extra £300. Currently have an AX5i (not great at music, just adequate). I believe there is a cheaper (than flagship) Denon with DV switching coming out this year (4805? might be the American numbering though)...Personally, I would go cheap/secondhand and wait some months and see what manufacturers tempt us with.
     
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    iv'e just ordered a 2500 www.tsnversand.de in germany.792 e[approx £550 inc postage and bank transfers] hope to get delivery this week.
    regards machinehead
     
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    I would be interested to hear how you get on.

    Regarding the AVR300 - there is no doubt this is a high class unit - I spoke with one of the developers on the team at arcam at a recent show and he was extremely helpful and informative. MY one nag is the DVI switching.

    My reason for the nag is that I have a Sharp Aquos LCD screen which comes with a DVI connector from the screen into an AV Center. I want to bypass this and replace the AV Center with a quality reciever - reduce the number of nodes the screen info has to pass through before its seen and reduce the mounting boxes in my rack.

    I have tested the theory with a PC with DVI output and it works well. Hence the looking for DVI switching. I have had a good look at the Marantz 8500 and it looks very impressive - next step an audition me thinks?
     
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    Excellent choice. That's where I ordered mine. They told me to expect to get it in a week, but it actually arrived in 5 days! :thumbsup:

    I've tested the 2500 for the weekend and it's a great machine. I don't miss the Denon A10SE at all. The battle scenes on Master and Commander were :eek:

    If you want more power, I suggest looking at the Harman 7300.

    I also want HDMI switching, but I'd rather wait for something that can also decode the new HD-DVD and BR-DVD audio formats (DTS++ and what have you)
     
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    hi grubert i'm going to drive my mission 753s front mission 728 rears mission centre and rel quake sub.looking forward to getting it together for some noise.was going to get a tv,decided against just now my 10yr old 28 widescreen will do just now.sound is more important to me.the tv scene will change dramaticly later this year with sky going high def.so i recon come next autum we will see some nice futureproof tvs imo of course.
    regards machinehead
     
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    I think the Marantz 7500 would be the only one at that price for me...
     
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    All good advice... Thanks :smashin:
    I think I'm going to go for the 2500 for now-

    Should really wait...... But not going to!

    At that price, I shouldn't lose too much if I decide on something else in the near future

    Shame about the cool 3805 renote tho :D
     
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    I've just ordered a 2500 from TNYersand, £553.00 all in

    Decided to be brave about the Germany thing- Why are they so much cheaper there? Yamaha isn't German :confused:

    Stiill hopefully it'll be here for my birthday on 7th Feb :D
     
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    That's a brilliant price - let us know how you get on! :)
     
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    will do! :thumbsup:
     
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    just been told the shipment for my 2500 will begin tomorrow.it takes a couple of days for the germans to process the money at there end.
    regards machinehead
     
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    Mine is due on 3rd Feb :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Can't wait :D
     
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    Wow that's fast :eek: I think I'll have to consider buying from Germany next time!
     

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