Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Ken, Dec 21, 2003.
What projector would you buy with up to £5000 to spend, preferably DLP.
Ht1000, as I already have one but any of the Sim range would be high on my list, followed by a look at the new Benq 1280 x 720 offering, which is just over £3000.
I think for that money, you'd have to consider an HD2 projector (Benq, Infocus 7200 etc), as although some xga models produce an excellent image which is fine for PAL/NTSC, the added res appears to be able to improve the smoothness of the image, as well as allow closer seating if needed. They'll also be better prepared for Hi Def which is coming here very slowly, though you'll have probably upgraded again by the time it's readily available.
Specs are a guide to performance, but you can't beat a good demo..
Thanks for the reply Gary.
I will be driving the projector with an ati 9600 based HCPC, is it benificial to use DVI over VGA.
Technically, DVI is better, practicaly, not necessarily.
The difference between DVI and VGA on my HT1000 is minimal, in fact, I'd be hard pushed to tell in a blind test. I don't know if that's down to the signal quality or how the projector renders them both though. I have heard some people with plasma screens say they can see a huge difference, so maybe it's down to the display. I don't know.
The advantage of VGA over DVI is that it will often allow the pj more options of adjustment. On the HT1000 you can't adjust contrast or brightness for example, but with VGA you can. I had to untick the white balance in the pj to reduce the colours down in order to get true black with Avia. I believe this is addressed with the new HT1100, so it may not be an issue with another projector.
It would be nice to hear if anybody else has a pj in mind for your budget. If you were after an XGA, the new Philips Bogart-Matchline is only £1600 and looks like a real bargain - I don't know how good it's on-board scaling/deinterlacing is, but with HTPC, that won't be an issue. I think you'd be limited to just VGA though.
Do you think it worth waiting a little for the likes of the Optoma 76, or would it be a safe bet with any of the hd2 projectors presently available?
Is the the Z10k worth the extra cost over the likes of say the Infocus 7200?
Isn't the Sharp Z10000 over £6000?
A smidgen over £3.5k (vat paid) if importing
What about warranty though? Would that be from Price Japan? I believe they're pretty good with warranty returns aren't they?
Hope I'm not hi-jacking your thread, but I'm seriously thinking about jacking in my plasma and going PJ, so I would be looking a a PJ also at this price range and would be interested in what Ken is advised to buy. Over and above that I would also be interested in what else is involved in getting the PJ up and running screen, cables, scalers etc as I know diddly squat about PJ's.
Also what are the downs of PJs in this price range, for example black levels etc.
Are there massive new advances on the very near horizon at this level?
The HT1000 has one of the best black levels and contrast ratios of any current lamp projector. The H56 also gives a great picture judging by Andrea Manuti's post over at AVS and is around £2200.
The Domino 20 probably has the best image of the three, but slightly less black level and contrast. How noticable this will be in real terms I couldn't say.
The Philips Bogart Matchline looks like good value at under £1600 on-line, but I've not seen one (yet - hoping to find the Croydon shop), or a review.
All those are 1024 wide pjs, but the crop of 1280 x 720 pjs in your price range would probably be a better option if you didn't want to upgrade any time soon. I kept my last 800 x 600 Davils DLS8 for 3 years before something came along that exceeded it in every respect (and in my price range), and now that looks like it could be happening next year rather than the year after.
The only downside of DLP is the possibility of seeing rainbows - DLP uses a rotating colour wheel to build up the RGB sections of the image, and some people see RGB flashes during some motion sequences, so a demo is a necessity.
LCD has it's own set of issues, black level being one, but that can be remedied with a filter. I think plasma is more like LCD than DLP, and you really need to see some in order to make a decision between the technologies.
What res is your plasma, how big do you want your screen and how far will you be sitting from it?
Thanks for the quick response and Happy New Year.
The res on my plasma is 720p, ideallyI would like to have say a 2.5m image but would be sitting around 4m form the screen. Talking of screens I take it that the different PJ technologies require different types of screen?
I ended up buying a Sharp Z9000, which is 720p and my screen is a 4yr old standard owl model; the image I get is excellent. I don't suffer from rainbows so dlp was the obvious direction for me.
Thanks for the info Ken, much appreciated. I shall have a look into it.
Out of interest what is the screen size?
Regards and happy new year
2m wide screen; the room is 4.5m deep; the projector is 30cm from the wall, ceiling mounted and my seating is just in front of the projector; I also use an HCPC.
I'd say that a 1280 x 720 DLP or higher res LCD would be your best bet, especialy from that seating distance, though a slightly smaller screen may be prudent due to screen door. You should be loking at approx 1.85 times screen wdith for seating at closest. I.e - 2.5m wide means a seating distance of around 4.6m.
I'd get the pj first, and project onto your wall so you can get used to it, and then decide what size suits you. Screendoor will spoil the image if you can see it.
Grey screens suit rooms with ambient light or little light control, but then you'd probably want a brighter projector for daytime viewing. Matt white or a small amount of gain suits most cases except where black level is an issue - LCDs tend to have grey blacks so a grey screen with gain might be suitable.
Thanks Ken & Gary,
Can I ask what screen door is?
With LCD and DLP projectors, you have small gaps between the pixels (mirrors in the case of DLP).
With LCD, the electronics has to be routed between the pixels, so the gap is relatively large - you have a fill factor of around 60% IIRC. With DLP the gaps are between the tiny mirrors (no electronics run in the gaps), and they have a fill factor of around 88%.
So for the same resolution, you can sit closer to a DLP than an LCD before you start seeing the gaps (screendoor).
Here's an interesting thread from avsforum which covers it (pictures):
Thanks again Gary, you are a mine of information
Let us know what you finaly decide to buy OK?
Will do Gary.
From what I've gleaned in this thread I need to do a lot more swotting up to make sure that I'm buying the right thing.
Like all AV, there is so much more to it than meets the eye. Its so good that there are lots of people on this forum who have huge amounts of knowledge that stops people like me wasting large amounts of money.
It's easily done, but at least you're getting the info to reduce the chances of that happening.
Have you been able to see any pjs yet?
Not had a chance to demo any pjs yet, but hopefully towards the end of next week.
I'd be interested to know what you see, and what your impressions are. Keep us all informed OK?
Wiil do Gary
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