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  1. Tempest

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    OK, so it's getting near the "Lets paint over the bloody white with a darker colour time"

    The rooms colour scheme is blue and grey, so I can get away with a medium to darkish blue on the side and back walls.

    I'm not 100% sure yet if I should paint the screen wall all black, or the same medium blue and just a few inches of black around the screen.

    Comment please on this one - should I paint the screen wall ALL Black ?

    Secondly and very importantly. I'm not sure what TYPE of black to use.....

    Let me explain:

    Now the obvious answer would be "Paint it MATT Black"
    But I know from past experience that matt black is not exactly very black.
    Matt black seems quite a powdery black, almost a grey type surface to the black (like a black board)
    However a SATIN black is really black black.

    But would a Satin black reflect more.....

    Dilemma.

    So what do you think. Matt black, dusty more like greyish tone to the surface, or a really black satin black ?

    Also the whole end wall or just the surround ?
     
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    Well, just painted 2 patches of black on my nice? white wall.

    One (from tin of car spray) Satin Black

    One old tin of International Matt Black paint (non reflective it says on the tin) (in a red tin) from B&Q. Says it's for oak beams etc.

    Guess best (obvious) test is to wait till all dry, then shine a light (torch) at them in the dark and see which is most reflective.

    Not sure if there are any differences in matt black anyway.
    But looking at it now (in a dim room) boy is that wall gonna be dark... he he :)
     
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    Keep reporting Tempest, I'm considering something similar. :)

    How did you apply the paint from B&Q? Interesting idea to use a spray can, that can/should give a nice featureless surface finish.
     
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    I used 'International' matt black paint from B&Q on the wall at the back of the screen. Very uniform coverage and extremely non-refrective. Also quite cheap.
     
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    Well, I'm not proud of myself on this one.........:(

    I'd just finished filling the holes in the wall, and wanted to get a test patch done before dinner.

    Went out into the shed and found this old tin of black international matt paint (think I used it for some woodwork a couple of years ago) But crusty in the bottom of the tin, but managed to find some wet paint down the bottom (Just)

    Dug out an old paint brush and just slapped on a VERY thick coat.
    Remember I'm trying to cover brilliant white (albeit a few years old so not quite so brilliant anymore!! and it's a polyripple surface, sort of like a lumpy bumpy finish,

    The spray paint (satin black) was some car paint I bought a few months back to paint the metal speaker brackets I made at work.
    Matt paint dries line free (it seems) with a brush anyway, so I would not worry about that. You could always use one of those paint pads but they do stretch the paint a long way and you may need more coats.....

    Anyway, the results.................

    Both paints are now dry (well not hard, but dry) and guess what.

    The patch of Satin Black is totally rubbish. Shining a small torch at this Satin surface lights it all up, shines straight back like a mirror!

    The International Matt Black patch looks darker anyway, and when you shine the torch there is no reflection at all. Superb.

    So It's a no brainer in this respect... International Matt Black looks the way to go for a nice non reflecting black screen wall.
    Or at least a nice black screen surround.

    Still worried someone here might kill me if I paint the whole wall black !!!! :suicide:

    I'll get a nice large tin of this tomorrow from B&Q and get my medium blue for the side walls as well.
    That will also have to be matt after this test result.
    Will see if International do any other paints in this range. If not a normal matt med/dark blue will have to do.
     
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    Thanks for the report :) ... am I right in thinking you're projecting on to a white wall?

    If all else is equal I'd think an all-black wall would be preferable, depends to some extent I guess on how much light-spill your projector has beyond the edge of the image.
     
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    KRaGorn.........

    Well, at the moment I'm not projecting onto anything.
    I only got my AE200 yesterday and gave it a quick test to check all working ok and to do some mesurments so I knew where I had to create a mount on the opposite wall.

    After all this other work is done (decorating, Making Mount etc) I shall deal with the screen issue.

    At the moment I only have a white wall yes, or to put it more accuratly a white PolyRippled wall (a bit like a smooth lumpy wood chip effect) and you can imagine how horrid this is as it scatters the light all over the place.

    So my current plan is: (I think) Paint this ENTIRE wall Matt Black.
    They I can make some sort (Wooden, Cloth, Plastic, whatever) white screen and fix it to this black wall.
    Should make the white screen stand out like a sore thumb against the matt black, which unless I'm very much mistaken is exactly what you want.

    The side walls I shall paint a medium blue to match room decor (I dare not paint those black as well) and the read wall which has mirrors on it (they were put there to make the room bigger) I shall cover with something and probably paint the same blue.

    The only fly in this ointment is the ceiling.
    That's one big white square and don't think I can do much about that.... I don't think you can really paint a ceiling a dark colour. Well, you can but it would be very odd.
     
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    Oh dear..........

    A certain other person in the house has just asked me what colour I'm going to be painting.......

    I said, well, I'm thinking of a blue.
    She said, oh, well as long as it's not too dark......

    Hmmmmmmmm, don't think this black wall is going to go down too well.......

    Quick bit of painting when I'm on my own is what's called for. Once it's done it's done. That's my motto :)
     
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    :rotfl:

    Tell me, is this a main living area or a dedicated HT room?
     
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    Bedroom............

    I'm living between my girlfriends and parents house right now.
    This is my long standing room at parents house.

    Hey it's just a coat of paint, it can be painted over later.

    Annoying cos I''m doing this not just for myself.
    They will ALL benifit from this. I'm doing all the work and paying for all the gear, they can just come along when finished and watch a movie & they still grumble,

    Note: No Way Girlfriend would let me do this round her place !!!
     
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    People can be so unreasonable at times :D

    I'm sure you'll make the right decision. ;)
     
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    You could use the equivalent of Kodak 18% grey - it's a good compromise between the dungeon look and black, and can be reasonable looking when well lit.

    Use Dulux 6000N from a mixer to get the correct colour - I sent a piece of a Kodak 18% grey card to Dulux, and that's the code they sent back. I had the colour mixed, and use it in my HT room on the upper side walls and ceiling. I have black carpet for the screen wall.

    The grey will only allow a neutral light to reflect, so won't affect the screen colouration. Pics on my home page if you're interested.

    Gary.
     
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    Cheers Gary......

    That looks a good grey that actually would match the grey of my carpet tiles......... Not sure if I could get away with the ceiling that colour though........

    So are you saying go to B&Q to their paint mixing station and just ask for 6000N and I'll get that ?

    BTW: Nice photo's of your setup.
    I'd cut those bits of wood that are at an angle across the floor. You may trip over them. Just saw em off, it'll look a lot nicer :)
     
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    I imagine Gary likes having a roof , especially now winter's upon us :D
     
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    say that another option is a nice deep purple.

    We used 'Emporer' from the Crown range. (matt).

    It is aubergine in all but name and it looks fab.

    Exactly what a dedicated cinema room needs without being like a dungeon as Gary put it. Even painted the ceiling, and six months on, I still go wow every time I walk in.

    Its actually quite Odeon like !

    hope this helps,

    Cap:smashin:
     
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    Hi Tempest,

    Just ask them to mix 6000N and you should get the same Grey I did. They will mix you a small sample to try if you wish, so you can try it before painting the entire room. :)

    The colour they matched came back as: 6000N (No Name) and that's what I took in to my local Fads where they had a Dulux mixing machine.

    HTH

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    Here's my room with the wall painted 'International' matt black

    [​IMG]

    This was taken before the projector was ceiling mounted but the wall and screen have not changed.
     
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    Actually, IIRC there was a loft installation dude a few weeks back that said you could cut them, didn't he Gary?

    Still...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Nice pic Thrash.....

    Well, I bought two tins of International matt black today and this evening finished painting my progection wall totally matt black.
    Well, I didn't paint where the screen was cos I would not have had enough paint and as I'm going to cover the center spot there was little point.

    As I was covering white with the black I laid it on pretty thick, but as it dries you see little white specs here and there, so I will give it a light second coat tomorrow.

    For the remaining walls I picked a Dulux Dark warm matt blue (my room colour scheme anyway is grey and blue, so hopefully will blend well. Actually took along one of my blue carpe tiles to match and it looks pretty near. When I'm back home I will name the colour. but it was the only one in B&Q that looked the part.

    To be honest with Black and Dark blue it's gonna make the room quite dark, but should make the white screen REALLY stand out which is what I'm after.

    I also had 4 matchpots done.

    One of the 6000 dark grey colour
    and 1 each of the 3 lightest Ice Storm greys.
    I will use the ice storms on some white coated plywood as test screens in the future
     
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    Tempest,

    The white coating on plywood or chipboard is usually melamine and it needs special preparation before you can paint it successfully - doesn't respond very well to being painted with vinyl emulsions, iirc, for that matter. If you want to use a board substrate for a screen you be better off using MDF (not too thick, though, it's surprisingly heavy). A couple of coate using a foam roller would be the best way to go, trying not to "over roll" it, to avoid horizontal or vertical roller lines.

    A screen made with blackout lining stretched over a 2x1 or 3x1 frame is more straight-forward and will give you better results, imo - tried painted icestorm (too dark, killed the colours for me) and various mixtures, including silver (hotspotting problems).

    Just my 2c, yymv.

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    Theritz:

    Thank's for the info........ so using the blackout lining over wood approach, what did you find was the very best thing to paint/roll it with ?

    I'd appreciate your advice as you have been there and done it.
     
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    Tempest,

    Dont paint it at all................ the surface is white, bright, and is about 1.0 gain - even reflection of image. Just make it and show movies !

    Have a look at at this site - the pictures aren't "screenshots" per se , but will give you an idea of the performance of a one year old blackout lining screen (and the effectiveness of proper masking).


    Sean G.
     
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    Tempest, the screen you see on my pic is blackout material stretched over a wooden frame, very effectice and best of all cheap.
     
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    So where are you guys buying your white unpainted! Blackout lining material from ?

    Sounds good to me...... Gonna go with it, when I know where to go.
    Someone on here said B&Q but I think they painted theirs.

    Where can I get this 1.0 gain stuff from ?
     
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    Any high street supplier of cloth will have blaskout material by the roll, it's usually sold per metre and is very cheap, i.e. enough for most screens should only be about £15.
     
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    I got mine from Alders - it comes on a roll 54ins wide, and you buy it by the meter or yard - £5 a yard or thereabouts.

    I used 69mm x 18mm wood to make the frame with a centerbrace, and stretched/stapled the cloth over it. It took two of us to get it wrinkle free, so you'll probably need someone to help you. There is a way to do it by yourself, as it's very similar to stretching artists canvas, and the link is around somewhere because I posted it - try a search and see what it brings up.

    Gary.
     
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    Phew... that sounds ok.

    I went to B&Q today and spotted what I thought you were all talking about.
    It was a 6ft roller blind (actually called a blackout blind)
    Cost £60 !!! My Jaw nearly hit the floor

    Now I know will look for the stuff you are suggesting.

    Just for the hell of it I bought a piece of white painted hardboard (only about 2.5 x 5 feet) as a test piece and will leave part of iot white and try the icestorm samples I have on other parts of it.

    Cost £2.60 :)
     
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    Here's a funny for you:

    Painted my 1st side wall my rich dark(ish) blue today - Very nice colour but deff making the room a LOT darker (which I guess is what's wanted really)

    The Matt Black wall (International non reflective paint) looked nice and matt from yesterday but as I was going over white there were obvious flecks of white showing through here and there. As I had bought a 2nd tin I thought I may as well go for it and go a second coat.
    This time I used a paint pad instead of a brush.

    All went fine, spilled some black on the carpet but it behind the units :)

    Anyhow all ok, 2nd coat will do the trick the I set about trying to wash the paint pad out. I used white spirit (which seems to clean the brushes overnight) but is obviously not the correct thinners for this particular paint.

    I used my hands to start cleaning the pad, and for a laugh covered my hands totally in the black goo to my wrists.

    Then I realised the black was not going..... Oh **** !!!!!!!!

    I had both hands and the sink all black everywhere.......

    I was starting to panic :(

    Luckily in the end some polyclens was found and that seemed to do the trick. I JUST managed to get my hands and the kitchen sink done but chucked the paint pad as it was still full of jet black

    The kitchen pyrex dishes I poured the black into are going to work tomorrow to try and get cleaned......

    Phew that was a close shave..... :)

    At least this black end wall is done and I can move thje furniture back into place and the bed back against the fresh blue wall. then we can set to work on the other two blue walls and those 8 mirrors that need covering.

    Still think a certain person is going to go ape when they (she) sees the new colour scheme

    Not sure yet what to go about the ceiling.

    All my white walls will have gone but I still have a totally white ceiling and I don't think I can paint that DARK anything.

    Perhaps a matt grey ?

    Any thoughts/suggestions about the white ceiling issue ?

    Gonna be some time (couple weeks) before I can actually settle down and watch a film :(
     
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    Just a sort of update on my painting so far...........

    I had some sample pots of Icestorm done, and decided today to paint the ceiling with IceStorm 5

    6 was almost white and hardly worth it.
    4 was WAY too dark for a normal room ceiling I felt

    5 although looks quite light, is actually quite grey when you paint it onto a white ceiling.

    Boy, is the room getting dark now................. !

    Gonna be nice for my projector but not sure how others are gonna react when they see what I've been up to..... Oh poo !
     

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