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What to buy, please help

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by jax61, Jul 10, 2004.

  1. jax61

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    I have a Pioneer 434HDE Plasma display with accompanying tuner box. I have a Pace Sky+ box and a Pioneer 717 DVD player and a Denon 3802 amplifier.

    I want to improve the picture quality from DVDs and especially Sky and I have read on this forum that the best way forward would be a converter box so I can connect the DVD player and/or Sky+ box to the tuner box via component cables. Please advise me on what ones are available and good suppliers. I recently bought an optical cable from www.hificables.com and was impressed with their service but am willing to try somewhere else. I tried a search but was unable to find anything especially relevant. I have a budget of £400-500. I have looked at some on sites and am comfused as to whether I need RCA or BNC and what the difference is if any.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Jax.
     
  2. rags

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    From recollection I dont think the Pioneer 717 has component output. I used to own one of these 1st generation machines and TBH although great in its time you can get a lot better now.

    To improve the picture quality from DVD I would get a HDMI DVD player which is an ideal partner for your HDMI equipped HDE plasma. A Pioneer 668 would fit within your budget and it will improve the PQ substantially. If you are willing to spend more then the Pioneer 868 or the Arcam DV79 are also good machines. A number of other manufacturers are also about to bring out HDMI players.

    Re the digibox I would just use a normal scart cable and output an RGB signal. The HDE plasma is a bit screwed up in this regard - input 3 on it can take a component signal or HDMI (one or the other) and to switch between the two you will need to go into the service menu and that will be a lot of hassle. Just best to connect it via scart RGB on input 1 and a DVD player with HDMI on input 3.
     
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    Or goto D-VHS right away and get the best for now, soon HD-DVD will be all over and your expensive Pioneer 868. will be worthless on the market...

    I always lies one step ahead of market....

    Only drawback is that there aren't so many movies out on D-VHS yet but all blockbusters are released....
     
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    How many films are out on DVHS at the moment mate ? It might be a good showcase but its pretty crap given that most films are not released on it. Also it will never take off either so there nothing to look forward to. With DVHS you are not one step ahead of the market you are simply not in it. Pointless purchase for the vast majority of users.

    HDDVD will take at least 2-3 years to get established and even then DVD will still be the most regular format. There no point getting a good plasma and waiting 3 years to use it in the best way.
     
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    As i said most blockbusters are released and it's enough for time being.

    I would not call D-VHS piece of crap, have you ever seen 1080i?

    That is your personal opinion and doesn't reflect many other people like me who want HDTV now, do you have any choice?

    Then it's pretty useless to even buy a HD panel like the 434HDE which can't take advantage of the extra resolution.

    If you like DVD so much then a SD panel would be your choice, why waste money on a HD panel that you can't use as it should if you mainly watch DVDs?
     
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    So then everyone with a HD panel should by a DVHS deck to watch the few blockbuster films that might be released on it ? No thanks I can find plenty of other ways to spend my money.

    HDDVD will probably be the future together with HDTV from SKY when its released in 2006.

    I have seen 1080i and its very good but NOT when there is limited programming / software for it. Jax has asked for advice on how to improve his current pic quality and the best you have come up with is buy a DVHS deck which is pretty pointless for the majority of users. Give appropriate advice and not just for the sake of it. I mean what percentage of HD plasma owners also own a DVHS deck ? It's a blip in most peoples radar screen and its going to stay that way. According to you no one should buy a Pioneer plasma unless you buy a DVHS deck to go with it !
     
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    I guess we should all stop buying DVD players and all rush out and buy DVHS decks so tape can make a comeback :rolleyes: . According to you anyone buying a DVD player now is wasting their money given they will be worthless in the future. Sorry to burst your bubble but DVD player sales are still and will continue to be strong. Reality check time me thinks.

    As most Pioneer HDE owners will point out to you, the 868, 668 etc are the best DVD players to go with the panel and not some niche technology that you have recommended with extremely limited and expensive software (available only from specialist places) in an outdated format. It might give a great picture but its not for 99% of consumers and the vast majority of HDE owners on this forum.
     
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    I know about blu-ray and HD-DVD and was considering waiting, but if it's going to take 3 years to be worthwhile, I might buy a DVD player before.

    My biggest concern is the Sky+ box and trying to improve PQ from this source as it is quite bad on some channels especially. I know it's to do with low bit rate partly, but I want to try and get around it as good as possible.
     
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    I agree that the best thing for Sky for you is to use a high quality scart RGB. If you want to avoid the expense of an HDMI player, simply go for one that has progressive scan component out. make sure it's PAL as well as NTSC, Sony do their 930 for not much over £200. I say it's safe to ignore D-VHS. JVC don't know when to let go of their beloved crappy tape system. Sure it's HD and they've beaten DVD in the race, but it's still TAPE! And this means: easily damaged, poor accessibility, NO extra material, no interactivity. It's generally agreed that D-VHS is a stop gap, niche market product for a small number of technophiles. The core target market is about 2 million households in the US.
    It'll be lucky to reach laser Disc numbers.
     
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    I only can buy Plasma from the following brands:
    AIRIS (a local manifacturer), LG, Sony, NEC, Samsung.

    Do you know some Plasma TV from these manifacturer that has a better result?

    Thank you and best regards.
     
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    jax61

    Converting the SCART RGB out from your SKY+ box to YUV using a decent RGB2YUV converter (JS Technology) is not really applicable in your system - the R04 Media Box makes a decent job with the RGB output direct from the Digibox.

    If you want to make a worthwhile upgrade to your system then an external Video Processor that sits between all of your sources and the HDMI Input on the Media Box would be my recommendation.

    Unfortunately the box I have in mind (Lumagen VisionHDP) is over £1k - though keep in mind its compatible with SD and HD sources (inc those encrypted with HDCP) and will still be relevant if you were to change your TV or even add in a Projector at some later date.

    Cabling wise then depending on what your using now you can make incremental changes to the system with decent cables - we supply lots of BetterCables cables to our HDE owners.

    BNC's are not relevant for you as the Media Box and all of your sources are RCA, S-Video, SCART or HDMI.

    Drop me a note if you want more info on using a Video Processor with the 04HDE.

    Best regards

    Joe
     

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