Question What speakers would you advise for Denon PMA720 amp?

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  1. simonj1972

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    I haven't bought yet, but just about to, buy a Denon PMA720 amplifier. I now need some speakers to go with them that suit the performance capabilities of the amp (that is power watts 2 x 50 (8 ohms, RMS) and the type of music I listen to, I guess (soul, jazz, acoustic - not really into heavy drum or bass).

    The Denon I've heard is a slightly warm sounding, which I think would suit me overall. That said the speakers may need to balance it out a bit and not be too warm sounding.

    I am a newbie so need pointing in the right direction. Budget wise £100-£150. Would stretch to £200 if you think it's worthwhile.

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    There are only a limited number of choices for that limited budget. Though if you can push to £250/pr, we might be able to come up with something significantly better.

    At about £100/pr is the older Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 -

    http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-2442-wharfedale-diamond-91-speakers-pair.aspx

    The Diamond 9.1 are long discontinued, and are only available from a single source.

    Also, the Tannoy Mercury V1i at £125/pr -

    Superfi - Tannoy Mercury V1i Speakers (Pair)

    The Mercury V1i are very common, available from many sources.

    Not a lot of feedback so far, but the Monitor Audio MR2 (£175/pr) are worth a look -

    Superfi - Monitor Audio MR2 Speakers (Pair)

    Monitor Audio
    have a reputation for being crisp speakers without being harsh. Wharfedale tend to be a big laid-back and neutral. I would guess the Tannoy would run in the neutral to slightly bright range. Though I suspect any of these speakers would work nicely with your amp.

    The Dali Zensor 1 (£199/pr) have decent ratings, the bass tends to be more controlled but goes as deep as any other speaker this size.

    Superfi - Dali Zensor 1 Speakers (Pair)

    The new Wharfedale Daimond 220 (£199/pr) have very good reviews and should do an excellent job. The only complaint about them is the circular grill over the tweeter, apparently the speaker sounds best if you remove that.

    Superfi - Wharfedale Diamond 220 Speakers (Pair)

    The Wharfedale is also a very common speaker, available from many different sources.

    But if you can push your budget a little higher, you can get the Tannoy Mercury V4i Floorstanding (£249/pr) -

    Superfi - Tannoy Mercury V4i Speakers (Pair)

    The next deal is absolutely outstanding, though inventory is probably getting low. The Tannoy Mercury Revolution DC6T Floorstanding (£249/pr) were originally about £800/pr. As you can see, a fantastic deal. The reason is these are long discontinued, after the DC6T was the DC6T-SE, and now the XT6T, so they are three models behind, but in their day they were £800/pr speakers.

    Tannoy REVOLUTION DC6T Espresso | Speakers Per Pair | Richer Sounds

    These Revolution DC6T, to my knowledge, are only available at this price from Richer Sounds.

    There are perhaps a few other choices to consider, but the choices presented here represent good speakers at a very good price.

    That should get things started.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Thanks for your suggestions. There seem to be a lot of Wharfedale models with similarly confusing names 121, 220 and 221 etc. I've been looking at the Wharfedale 121, which has good reviews. Is this a good speaker that's worth considering?
     
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    Equivalent models in Wharfedale are the 9.1, 10.1, 121, and now the 220. These all have 5" bass drivers.

    Next up would be the Diamond 10.2 and 122 which have 6.5" bass drivers, these would be my recommendation as a 6.5" is twice as big as a 5". Though if this is on a crowded desktop, then perhaps smaller speaker are a better choice. There is no equivalent of the 10.2/122 in the new 200 series.

    You should be able to get a very good price on the Diamond 121 now that the Diamond 200 series has been out for a while -

    Wharfedale Diamond 121 Speakers Review by...


    Wharfedale Diamond 122 Speakers Review by AV...


    As mentioned the Tweeter Grill is not ideal, but easy enough to remove.

    It is still possible to find the Diamond 122 within your working budget range -

    Wharfedale Diamond 122 - Google Search

    And you wouldn't go wrong with the Diamond 121 either -

    Wharfedale Diamond 121 - Google Search

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    Many thanks Steve/bluewizard again. That's helped me a lot in narrowing it down.

    I have just bought the Wharfedale Diamond 122 speakers. As the speakers have bigger drivers the sound would be better and I have enough room on a desk top. The reviews are very good as well.

    I found them at Audio Affair for just £159.95 - normal price £279.99 - reduced I guess because it's a discontinued model.

    I just need some speaker cables now and a bit baffled by the different types. Having banana plug connections seems handy and preferable to bare wire connections which can oxidise. Then there's the job of connecting the banana plugs. I thought I could do that myself but it looks like it's a tricky job that takes a while to do according to the Audio Affair website. Are there any types of wires I should consider?

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    The most common Banana Plugs simply have one or two screws that clamp down on the wire and capture it in place. Not that complicated.

    The Sewell Silberback use two screws, one one each side, to capture the wire -

    https://2015.sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Silverback-Banana-Plugs-12-pair

    Available in the UK -

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=....products-cc..1.11.851.D7feqXhdu08&gws_rd=ssl

    Sewell DeadBolt, are very easy to use -

    https://2015.sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Plugs-6-Pair

    If you scroll down, you will see a graphic of how the DeadBolt work.

    Also available in the UK -

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=....products-cc..18.3.338.8TgWTwNjtdQ&gws_rd=ssl

    Sewell also makes SPADE connectors -

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/1215...1=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

    I use Deabolt Banana on amp end, and Deadbolt Spade on the speakers. The Deadbolt Spade don't seem to be available, but the Spades shown above are -

    https://2015.sewelldirect.com/Spade-Connector-Full-Copper-45-Degree-Angle-2-Pack

    Most Equipment shops also have a variety of Banana Plugs.

    NAKAMICHI has its own Ebay-UK page and sells a varitey of high quality Banana Plugs -

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Speaker-P..._nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=nakamichi_uk

    Just one note of caution, avoid this type of banana plug regardless of what brand it is -

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-PCS-N...140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19e2c6d9f4

    Both Sewell and Nakamichi make Locking Banana Plugs, though they cost a bit more, they are not excessively expensive. They universally look like this -

    https://2015.sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Locking-Banana-Plugs-

    Then you screw the sleeve on, it pushes on the pins you see at the sides, and those pin push another pin in the center of the banana that causes it to expand and lock into the mating plug. Screw the sleeve back and the pressure is released, and you can remove the banana plug.

    Many Audio Shops have an assortment of Banana Plugs -

    https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/category/709/banana-plugs-spades-and-pins/

    Note QED AirLoc need to be professionally installed because they need a special crimping tool.

    As far as wire, 2.5mm² is pretty much the standard, you can buy less for short runs, you can buy thicker, but 2.5mm² covers everything you could possibly need and is reasonably low cost. In Gauged wire, most use 14ga (2.08mm²), though 16ga (1.31mm²) is fine. In Euro wire, for short runs, even 1.5mm² is fine.

    Straight forward Twin Lead is all you really need.

    In bulk wire, at the top of this list is Byfeet Audio OFC wire in assorted lengths and thicknesses. The shortest 15m 2.5mm is £19.57 or £1.31 per meter.

    http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php?cat_id=195

    Here are some other workable options for a low price -

    https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/9458/qed-qx16-2-flame-retardant-pvc-white-speaker-cable/

    https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk...x-white-studio-grade-speaker-cable-2-x-1-5mm/

    https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk...x-black-studio-grade-speaker-cable-2-x-2-5mm/

    The Fisual S-Flex is available in either black or white in both sizes.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Many thanks Steve/bluewizard for your very helpful detailed reply. That covers everything I needed to know.
     

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