What should the Prime Minister do first?

What should the Prime Minister do first?


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Rasczak

Distinguished Member
The Prime Minister has placed the Brexit process "in limbo" whilst he awaits the decision on a Brexit extension. In the meantime, there are rumours abound that his cabinet and advisers are at loggerheads about whether to push for an early General Election or to progress the Withdrawal Agreement through Parliament. Which do you think he should do first?


 

dms

Active Member
Not sure why Brexiteers want Bojo in post given his record
Because he's blond, amusing, pretty, and will win them an election because he can promise everything to everyone and people appear to buy it. They can always get rid of him when he's served his purpose, Tories are great at that.

Back to the thread. When we're safe not to crash out, then please lets have an election. Not as helpful for my ends as a referendum but at least we may end up with a working Parlament again.
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
No it hasn't - it passed the 2nd reading because some MP's voted for it who want to amend it into something else.
He won the vote on the WA for it to be taken forward to bill scrutiny.

He lost the vote on the timetable to scrutinise the bill.

May set aside 8 weeks if Parliament agreed to the WA in principle. She didn't get that far, but Boris did.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
He won the vote on the WA for it to be taken forward to bill scrutiny.

He lost the vote on the timetable to scrutinise the bill.

May set aside 8 weeks if Parliament agreed to the WA in principle. She didn't get that far, but Boris did.
Given that Johnson and co don't even understand their own agreement, it's a bit much to ask the rest of Parliament to come to terms with it within a few days. I'm glad Johnson lost the timetable vote.

The situation yesterday regarding the question over NI exports was a farce.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
He won the vote on the WA for it to be taken forward to bill scrutiny.
Several MP's have already said that they only voted in favor of the WA to be able to amend it into something else at a later stage. If it doesnt get amended then they wont vote for it at the 3rd reading.

At some point you have to take people at their word.
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
Given that Johnson and co don't even understand their own agreement, it's a bit much to ask the rest of Parliament to come to terms with it within a few days. I'm glad Johnson lost the timetable vote.

The situation yesterday regarding the question over NI exports was a farce.
I am so long as a GE follows.
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
Several MP's have already said that they only voted in favor of the WA to be able to amend it into something else at a later stage. If it doesnt get amended then they wont vote for it at the 3rd reading.

At some point you have to take people at their word.
Like I said, the deal had been agreed in principle.
That's all.
Next step, timetable for scrutiny.

MPs are entitled to amend it like they do with all other bills. That's one of the functions of Parliament.
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
Several MP's have already said that they only voted in favor of the WA to be able to amend it into something else at a later stage. If it doesnt get amended then they wont vote for it at the 3rd reading.

At some point you have to take people at their word.
And during interviews afterwards, many Remainer MP's said the amendment they would attach was a confirmatory vote on Deal vs Remain
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
I am so long as a GE follows.
It may well be one of the stipulations that accompanies the extension request tomorrow.

Therefore Parliament will have to grant it, if it's serious about stopping No Deal.

I think the SNP and rebel Labour MP's are gunning for one now too. Corbyn won't have a choice I don't think.
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
Given that Johnson and co don't even understand their own agreement, it's a bit much to ask the rest of Parliament to come to terms with it within a few days. I'm glad Johnson lost the timetable vote.

The situation yesterday regarding the question over NI exports was a farce.
Boris Johnson personally raised the controversial issue of businesses having to fill in export forms on goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland in a phone call with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker on the morning the Brexit deal was agreed, BuzzFeed News has learned.

Juncker insisted that the matter could not be renegotiated. Shortly afterwards, in a follow-up call, Johnson agreed the deal, thereby accepting the need for the forms.

The revelation, confirmed by two separate sources, shows the prime minister was fully aware that the issue of export forms would be problematic back home, but signed it off anyway in order to secure the agreement with the EU.

A Downing Street spokesperson denied the two leaders talked about specifics over the phone.
More here:

 

chopples

Well-known Member
Several MP's have already said that they only voted in favor of the WA to be able to amend it into something else at a later stage. If it doesnt get amended then they wont vote for it at the 3rd reading.

At some point you have to take people at their word.
The labour mps Who voted for it only took issue with environment and workers rights, they defied the whip to back it, you do not do that unless you believe in it imo. I also think this is an area the government could offer assurances on.

There was at least 5 independent ex Torys who stated they would back it as is, on top of the 299 which we know support it due to the Letwin amendment. Suggests the potential is there to get it through
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
The labour mps Who voted for it only took issue with environment and workers rights, they defied the whip to back it, you do not do that unless you believe in it imo. I also think this is an area the government could offer assurances on.

There was at least 5 independent ex Torys who stated they would back it as is, on top of the 299 which we know support it due to the Letwin amendment. Suggests the potential is there to get it through
Boris isn't going to risk a 2nd vote being attached to it.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
The labour mps Who voted for it only took issue with environment and workers rights, they defied the whip to back it, you do not do that unless you believe in it imo. I also think this is an area the government could offer assurances on.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
yep I did mention in another post that a custom union would be the main concern (more so than a second ref), maybe other thread, but as long as the government controlled timetable the bill could be pulled at that stage, not all of the 19 would back the custom union imo But ken Clarke and a couple of other ex Torys would
 

chopples

Well-known Member
Boris isn't going to risk a 2nd vote being attached to it.
No chance mate, if the numbers where there then it could have been added to an earlier bill, like Benn. Such as in the event of no agreement with eu an extension should be sort in order to ask British public etc.......

some of the labour rebels feel the same way as the Torys on this point
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
No chance mate, if the numbers where there then it could have been added to an earlier bill, like Benn. Such as in the event of no agreement with eu an extension should be sort in order to ask British public etc.......

some of the labour rebels feel the same way as the Torys on this point
But many of the deselected Tories do want a 2nd referendum so may be too close to risk.

Looks like he's trying something new now to allow more debate but sign up to a GE on 12th.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
But many of the deselected Tories do want a 2nd referendum so may be too close to risk.

Looks like he's trying something new now to allow more debate but sign up to a GE on 12th.
I dont agree mate, customs union is by far the bigger risk, even @Pacifico reply to me suggest 25 labour MPs would not back the ref amendment. Both these amendments would have been heard even with the original timetable so I do not think it’s worth using It as a reason not to revisit the bill unless you did not want the bill to pass in the first place

Interesting re election, not had chance to keep up with the news today, will check it out now

cheers
 

doug56hl

Distinguished Member
Seems to be a lot of doubt amongst Conservative MPs and others on the wisdom of going for an election before Christmas. Weeks of party election broadcasts when people are looking forward to a bit of Black Friday shopping and getting in training for switching off/zoning out for christmas revelry may not go down to well with voters..

Conservative MPs are privately concerned that Boris Johnson’s call for a general election is a gamble that could easily backfire.

Several Scottish Tory MPs have also voiced fears about calling for a winter vote before Brexit has been delivered. One Scottish party source said: “This would not wash with our voters. I hope my colleagues are right when they say that we won’t get an election. We go for a vote in the spring, when a deal has been done.”

Some senior Tories are concerned that Johnson will struggle to portray an election as a fight for Brexit, given that the withdrawal agreement bill was passed by MPs this week at its second reading.
Wary Tories say Johnson’s election gamble could be seen as a stunt

ConservativeHome is very cautious about making a dash for the line now, especially on the basis of a claim about the Bill that doesn’t necessarily stand up. To win, the Party probably has to win a mass of northern and Midlands seats to make up for losses in London and the south. Is it really likely that the Tory campaign can, say, decapitate Tom Watson in West Bromwich, as the Party aims to do, without Brexit having been delivered?

To our mind, Nigel Farage complaining that the Conservatives have yet again failed to achieve Brexit sounds more persuasive than him complaining that it has achieved a version he doesn’t like. And the Brexit Party factor will matter in a campaign: after all, its rise coincided with the fall of Theresa May.

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