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What should I replace my Celica 190 with?

Discussion in 'Motoring' started by spl23, Aug 20, 2005.

  1. spl23

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    OK, looking for suggestions here...

    I drive a Toyota Celica 190 that is just coming up to 3 years old. I love a lot of things about this car - the looks, the performance, the handling and the comparatively low running costs (it averages 30mpg) - it's also pretty practical for a coupe.

    However, I have come to the conclusion that it has to go, for one main reason - the noise it makes is extremely tiring on long motorway journeys. A combination of very little soundproofing and a low top gear results in 80 mph being a fight between the engine, tyre and wind noise and the stereo, and I've finally got fed up with it. My old Mazda 323F was quite relaxing on motorways - the Celica definitely isn't, and I'm getting too old for it!

    So, if I'm looking for a new car at £20-25k, what should I go for? I'd like something that performs as well as the Celica, with similar fuel consumption and running costs, but with more comfort and less noise. Reliability is important to me, so I would prefer something Japanese or German. I've been thinking about the new Golf GTI or the BMW 130i, but neither of them really excites me. Any suggestions?
     
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    Honda Integra Type R - the new DC5.

    I've owned the DC2, which was really raw with no soundproofing and thinner, lighter glass - I loved it but it's not everybody's cup o' tea.

    The DC5 is more refined for everyday use and cruising at motorway speeds.

    It's essentially a CTR underneath but with all the Japanese goodies included, such as an LSD, 220bhp and with improved brakes with air ducts for cooling. So it is definitely an exciting car.

    They are not offically imported by Honda UK so they are very rare....less than 100 cars are registered in the UK, but any main Honda dealer can also source parts from the Honda Parts Network, overnight from Belgium.

    There are several import specialists that can source new cars from Japan.

    http://www.gt-culture.com/ They supplied the Interga's for Team Halfords in this year's BTCC.

    http://www.hanzocars.com/

    http://www.dicksonsmotorgroup.co.uk/
     
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    The Alfa GTA is meant to be fairly refined and is available at the price point. Its an Alfa though so you may need to buy a cheap second car for the days it doesn't work.

    If you want a very refined car indeed, Merc CLK's start at about £25K but that will be significantly down on power on the Celica and about as exciting as a stamp collection.


    Fast and refined costs, sadly :(
     
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    I was passenger in a Merc CLK test drive yesterday which my Dad proceeded to buy. It's a lovely car indeed but not super-quick off the mark compared to some.

    You might be able to get a standard C-series that goes quick for that price either second hand or if you don't mind dropping a few of the extras. :)
     
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    Does it have to be brand new?

    If you want power, comfort and economy what about a 2nd hand BMW 330D? Monstrous torque figures means it'll punch past just about anything this side of a supercar. Plus you'll get 35mpg.

    Or if it has to be new I'd consider, if you can stomach the badge, the Hyundai Coupe. Great looks, but maybe not different enough from the Celica.

    Or... Impreza Turbo. Powerful but a tad thirsty.

    Or... Audi TT. Getting on a bit I know but they do a lower spec machine and they still look nice.

    Or.. Alfa 147 GTA. But only 2nd hand as I reckon the depreciation will be collossal.
     
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    Not necessarily...the MarK V Golf R32 (250bhp) will be out very soon, estimated to be about 22 grand. Full review here

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    The new TT will be released next year, you could pick up a slightly used V6 for about £25k I should think.
     
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    Current base price of a Golf GTi is £20K. Can't see the R32 being only £2k more. Nearer £25K more likely.

    Mondeo is a great car but you'd still take a pasting on depreciation, even after buying 2nd hand.

    Audi A3 3.2 would be worth a look as well. Proabably hold it's value better than the Mondeo.
     
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    0-60 in 6.2 seconds is not a bad stat - what's the repmobile ST, 7.6, see ya...

    it's a VW not a Ford repmobile, so build quality will also be :thumbsup:
     
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    The article mentions a starting price of €32,200, at todays exchange rates is about £22k

    LOL!

    I'd agree about a 3.2 A3 though, a great car :)
     
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    How about a second hand Porsche 911 or Maclaren F! ?Failing that there is always the trusty old Trabant? :D
     
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    A Mercedes 560 SEL.

    You simply wont give a flying fudge what other people are driving/ doing.... :D
     
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    I must have missed the bit where he said that he was a hairdresser :D
     
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  15. spl23

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    Hang on, hang on! If I'd said I drive the *standard* Celica, you'd have a point! But the 190 is a different kettle of fish...

    Many thanks for all the suggestions, btw. The other idea that has just occurred to me is to strip out all the interior trim from front seats to boot and stick a layer of Dynamat (or similar) over the entire floorpan, and possibly inside the front doors as well. Has anyone got experience of doing this? Is it effective at killing road noise?
     
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    A friend did it to his Sunny GTI-R (which was bloody noisy). It shaved a couple of DB's off the cabin noise but made the car smell pretty unpleasant for a while. It is also worth noting that the interior of the Sunny is not complicated and it still felt like it had been taken out and put back in again. The Celica is more complicated than the Sunny so discretion is advised.
     
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    If the price is listed in euros then it probably hasnt accounted for rip off britain as they get away with charging us more over here :(

    I love the A3 for 25k you could get the highest spec 3.2 with all the best options and toys, as for me if I had 25k it would be the Honda S2000 :smashin:
     
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    The S2000 is an absolute beauty isn't it.

    Either that or the 350Z for me :devil:
     
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    Alfa GT is a lovely car...
     
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    Dont forget the good ol Supra Twin Turbo mate, er excellent running costs ;) . But jeez does it go. for £20k you could get a monster one.

    Matt
     
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    I test drove a loaded A3 3.2 the other week, absolutely beautiful car.
    nearly as much fun as my RX7 was, and just a bit nicer to live with..! :D

    I'll be taking one as soon as the finances are available, I haven't found anything comparable/sensible at the price yet..?

    If i was buying this week, I reckon this one would have my wallet flexing...
     
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    My mate has just bought a new Subaru Imprezza Turbo WRX PPP (or something) - crazy name! Very comfy - its a big motor after all, has crazy amounts of grip and power, does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, is within your price bracket and - to my suprise - rather quiet on the motorway!

    I don't think its as quiet as something like a BMW, but I think it would be a signifiant improvment in comfort and volume on the motorways when compared with the Celica. I have an MR2 at the moment and found the difference in road noise more than I had expected for such a performance car. When he put his foot down, the engine roared and you shot into horizon against a blur of traffic, but when cruising it was rather mondeo-like.

    It'll also put a smile on your face every time you put your foot down!! Not too bad on the fuel either! :)
     
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    If 4 seats aren't a priority I'd definately go for a 350Z (in black) with GT pack, might need to get nearly new to keep within that budget, but one of the few new cars out that looks fantastic imo. I'd also consider a S2000 aswell although the 350Z is more of a GT/Tourer.
     
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    Hi

    I just bought a 147 GTA 3 weeks ago and it is fantastic.

    Quality of finish better than my 2002 C240, and it looks and sounds superb. It is in red with black leather.

    Definitely seek one out to try one. They are ultra rare and it draws many an admiring glance.

    Plus, nothing can compare to the sheer joy of nailing it through a tunnel with the windows down!
     
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    I hadn't considered the 350Z, to be honest, as I've read too many reviews that say it's tiring on long journeys due to the harshness of the suspension - not sure if that means it's worse than the Celica though (which doesn't exactly float over bumps...)

    I'm currently waiting for Honda to publish price and spec on the new Civic - leaving aside any other considerations, I think it looks fantastic, and the top spec one should be well within my budget.
     
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    Another vote for the Alfa GTA here too (allthough I would personally go for the 156 rather than the 147...just prefer the 156 lines :D )

    I don't own either but have had extended use of both and they are amazing cars for the money...you will not be able to wipe the grin off your face after you get out...that is if you want to get out!!!

    Oh, and dont take notice of all the 'Alfa reliability' tales...they are no worse than most other cars on the market these days.
     
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    My "reliable" Celica has had two new drivebelts and tensioners, two new sets of alloys, a new engine management unit and a recall for a potential fault with the fuel tank. And it's going in again next week for yet another drivebelt and tensioner - and the warranty expires on Friday.

    Toyota's reputation for reliability has taken something of a beating around here - ok, it's never actually stranded me anywhere, but I've had more problems with it than with any other car I've owned. And the dealers are bloody unhelpful.

    I don't see how an Alfa could possibly be worse! Love the looks of the new Brera coupe, but don't think my budget will stretch that far, more's the pity...
     
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    If you're thinking of a Civic, have you considered getting one of the last Type-R's? The new version is at least a year away, and garages are giving very good deals (I got a discount, fogs and mats thrown in, 0% interest over 3 years with a 30% deposit and 2 years free servicing).

    Cheers,
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    I drove the Accord and Integra Type-R's, but haven't tried the current Civic. The Integra was one of the most fun things I've driven, but hugely raw and noisy - the Accord was better, but still quite unrefined (and not as quick as I'd hoped). I'd kind of discounted anything with a Type-R badge on it on the grounds that I'd always associated it with a lot of (unwanted) noise, which is what I'm trying to lose with the Celica. Is the Civic-R quieter than Type-R's of old? How noisy do you find it on motorways?

    (That said, I'll still probably wait for the new Civic - the more I look at the pictures, the more I want one!)
     
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    I have heard that the Integra was more hard-core than the Civic (some of the people on the CTR forum put the Civic down for having too many un-necessary additions like sound-proofing and electric windows!). Also, the face-lift Civic Type-R had more sound-proofing put in (which implies it probably was fairly noisy pre-facelift). It still is a pretty hard ride, though, so might not be ideal. I don't pick mine up till the end of the week, and my current car is fairly noisy on motorways, so I'm probably not the best person to comment. As with AV, it's best to audition/test drive it yourself.

    Cheers,
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