What outcome would you like to see from a vote of no confidence in the current Government?

What outcome would you like to see from a vote of no confidence (VONC) in the current Government?


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Rasczak

Distinguished Member
With rumours circulating that there will be a vote of no confidence in the Government this week, I thought it would be interesting to canvas views as to what outcome people would like to see?

For the sake of clarity, for the purposes of this poll, 'caretaker Prime Minister' means one which wins the support of the Commons but calls a General Election within weeks of coming to power. A 'Government of National Unity' means one which attempts to govern without an immediate General Election.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
My personal preference would be a Government of National Unity that would endure to middle of next year whilst this Brexit mess is resolved one way or another. Such a Government could perhaps be headed by Ken Clarke with Corbyn as Deputy PM.

As per the poll question, I stress this is what I would like to happen, not what I think will happen. I think a caretaker PM is the most likely outcome especially as the Lib Dems and SNP are keen for a swift GE.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
My personal preference would be a Government of National Unity that would endure to middle of next year whilst this Brexit mess is resolved one way or another. Such a Government could perhaps be headed by Ken Clarke with Corbyn as Deputy PM.

As per the poll question, I stress this is what I would like to happen, not what I think will happen. I think a caretaker PM is the most likely outcome especially as the Lib Dems and SNP are keen for a swift GE.
They way MPs are at each other’s throats at the moment there is no chance of any unity. That is just a pipe dream. As for an interim leader, Ken Clarke is very much a cheer leader for the EU.
How could he be a candidate to try and bring both sides together?
Don’t even suggest Corbyn. He was rejected by the Libdems and is unlikely to be supported by any Conservatives.
Just won’t work.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
They way MPs are at each other’s throats at the moment there is no chance of any unity. That is just a pipe dream. As for an interim leader, Ken Clarke is very much a cheer leader for the EU.
How could he be a candidate to try and bring both sides together?
Don’t even suggest Corbyn. He was rejected by the Libdems and is unlikely to be supported by any Conservatives.
Just won’t work.
I agree unity is in very short supply - which is why I think a Government of National Unity is not going to work. But can the Remain Alliance parties agree to a single candidate to replace Johnson for the six odd weeks of an election campaign? There are certainly many obstacles in the way based on their positions:

Lib Dems - want to have a GE ASAP and seem to have quite an arrogant 'our way or the highway' approach. Won't support Corbyn.

SNP - want to have a GE ASAP but seem reasonably flexible on who they will support.

Change UK - want to delay a GE for as long as possible and want a GNU. Won't support Corbyn.

Ex-Tory 21 - Won't support Corbyn.

Labour - I can't even guess their position on a 'unity' candidate but are probably likely to be difficult.

Navigating a path through that lot is going to take a lot of effort. However maybe Ken Clarke, Margaret Beckett or Oliver Letwin are people who could do it?
 

rampant

Well-known Member
Johnson wins, all mp's get behind him and decide to leave the EU with no deal on the 31st, putting us in a stronger position to negotiate our deals without influence from the EU.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
Who knows with this load of useless MPs.
Literally anything could happen.
 

scarty16

Well-known Member
Brexit 31st October, followed by Conserrvative Landslide. Labour party cataclismic split, and if we are dreaming Lampard back to Derby
 

gamerste

Suspended
Boris out jezza in, no deal brexit averted.
Calls a GE goes to the EU gets a deal that removes the backstop by keeping us closely aligned with the EU for trade.
Wins an election on his socialist manifesto.
Holds second ref on his deal that has been passed by parliament Vs remain.
We leave the EU with jezza deal.
Tories done for 2 decades.

Winner winner
 

gamerste

Suspended
Problem the lib Dems and other remain MPs have is if they want to stop a no deal brexit then they have to install jezza as temporary PM.
And if they don't they are finished jezza plays a blinder again.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Boris out jezza in, no deal brexit averted.
Calls a GE goes to the EU gets a deal that removes the backstop by keeping us closely aligned with the EU for trade.
Wins an election on his socialist manifesto.
Holds second ref on his deal that has been passed by parliament Vs remain.
We leave the EU with jezza deal.
Tories done for 2 decades.

Winner winner....
You forgot ya chicken dinner.

I think what you've just described there is every Leaver's fantasy :laugh:
 

Squiffy

Distinguished Member
Keep saying it but if you want to actually leave the EU people will need to vote for jezza.
Is that their policy? To leave?

Why are some saying that if you want to remain in the EU, you have to vote for Jezza?
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
Is that their policy? To leave?

Why are some saying that if you want to remain in the EU, you have to vote for Jezza?
Ironically, I think Corbyn is the only one of the main protagonists who actually wants to leave the EU.

I’m starting to believe that Boris is only interested in the limelight and the money that can made on crashing out. It wasn’t that long ago that he was saying staying in the EU was the wise thing to do.

I don’t think Farage wants to leave either - he’s another one that’s addicted to the attention. If we leave, the press won’t be interested in him or his cronies anymore.

Nope - if you want to leave the EU, JC is the only one that can do it.

Personally I think he’s a disaster for the Labour Party - but wouldn’t it be funny if history remembers him as the PM that actually delivered Brexit.
 

Goooner

Distinguished Member
JC might well be a leaver, it's pretty much the rest of them that are the problem.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
Ironically, I think Corbyn is the only one of the main protagonists who actually wants to leave the EU.

I’m starting to believe that Boris is only interested in the limelight and the money that can made on crashing out. It wasn’t that long ago that he was saying staying in the EU was the wise thing to do.

I don’t think Farage wants to leave either - he’s another one that’s addicted to the attention. If we leave, the press won’t be interested in him or his cronies anymore.

Nope - if you want to leave the EU, JC is the only one that can do it.

Personally I think he’s a disaster for the Labour Party - but wouldn’t it be funny if history remembers him as the PM that actually delivered Brexit.
I have no idea how Labour would deliver Brexit.

Say for example Boris is kicked out by a vote of no confidence. A temp Government is formed with Jezza as PM and Labour in control. Labour cronies (Emily Thornberry for example) go to EU to sort a deal, but really want to remain. How can you negotiate one thing when you want the opposite?
 

Goooner

Distinguished Member
And then campaign against whatever deal they manage to come up with.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
Boris out jezza in, no deal brexit averted.
Calls a GE goes to the EU gets a deal that removes the backstop by keeping us closely aligned with the EU for trade.
Wins an election on his socialist manifesto.
Holds second ref on his deal that has been passed by parliament Vs remain.
We leave the EU with jezza deal.
Tories done for 2 decades.

Winner winner
:rotfl: That's pretty funny stuff, I assume you aren't being serious and just making a joke? If so, it's very funny.

Problem the lib Dems and other remain MPs have is if they want to stop a no deal brexit then they have to install jezza as temporary PM.
And if they don't they are finished jezza plays a blinder again.
Jezza plays a blinder again? Does that mean he has already played a blinder?
By blinder do you mean single handedly destroying the Labour party and making them un-electable for a long time to come?
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
I have no idea how Labour would deliver Brexit.

Say for example Boris is kicked out by a vote of no confidence. A temp Government is formed with Jezza as PM and Labour in control. Labour cronies (Emily Thornberry for example) go to EU to sort a deal, but really want to remain. How can you negotiate one thing when you want the opposite?
They'd probably give us a slightly softer Brexit - Single Market and Customs union. They'd have to avoid an election though - can't see the electorate liking that much.

Alternatively, a referendum on a TM style deal vs No Brexit. In this scenario, it would be harder for another party to overturn it in the event of a GE.
 

Squiffy

Distinguished Member
I have no idea how Labour would deliver Brexit.

Say for example Boris is kicked out by a vote of no confidence. A temp Government is formed with Jezza as PM and Labour in control. Labour cronies (Emily Thornberry for example) go to EU to sort a deal, but really want to remain. How can you negotiate one thing when you want the opposite?
The problem is more fundamental than that.

Why would the EU take the negotiations at all seriously? They have huge incentive to offer a worse deal in the expectation that the UK electorate will vote against it in a referendum and instead opt to remain.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
The problem is more fundamental than that.

Why would the EU take the negotiations at all seriously? They have huge incentive to offer a worse deal in the expectation that the UK electorate will vote against it in a referendum and instead opt to remain.
The public have never had a chance to vote on the TM deal. That really may be the best deal available.

I'd prefer to see a TM deal vs No Deal referendum.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
The public have never had a chance to vote on the TM deal. That really may be the best deal available.

I'd prefer to see a TM deal vs No Deal referendum.
That would have to be a landslide for TM's deal, as no Remainer I can think of is gonna support a No Deal. And then there's plenty of Leaver's who also don't want a No Deal.

But I can't see that scenario ever taking place. I still think a referendum would be a straight Revoke or No Deal option.
 

gamerste

Suspended
:rotfl: That's pretty funny stuff, I assume you aren't being serious and just making a joke? If so, it's very funny.



Jezza plays a blinder again? Does that mean he has already played a blinder?
By blinder do you mean single handedly destroying the Labour party and making them un-electable for a long time to come?
He has dispatched 2 prime minister's and is looking to dispatch a third.
My post wasn't funny at all there is nothing funny about the state of the country with the current lying cheating arse as the PM at the moment.
I don't see him destroying the labour party I see him as liberating it.
 

gamerste

Suspended
That would have to be a landslide for TM's deal, as no Remainer I can think of is gonna support a No Deal. And then there's plenty of Leaver's who also don't want a No Deal.

But I can't see that scenario ever taking place. I still think a referendum would be a straight Revoke or No Deal option.
No deal leave has to be taken out of the equation, you can't justify putting that to the people when you know what it brings.
JC deal Vs Remain is the only alternative.
He puts it to parliament as a means to deliver brexit.
It will be a much softer brexit but the caveat will be to leave and reform but keep all the good stuff about the EU.
Then put it to the people.
And giving MPs a free reign on how they want to campaign on a second ref.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
He has dispatched 2 prime minister's and is looking to dispatch a third.
My post wasn't funny at all there is nothing funny about the state of the country with the current lying cheating arse as the PM at the moment.
I don't see him destroying the labour party I see him as liberating it.
Oh wow.
Liberating the party from what? Any hope of winning an election?
 

gamerste

Suspended
JC doesn't have a deal
We will see,he sent delegates to the EU and I'm sure calls have been made and discussion taken place on a deal that suits both sides.
Anyone who thinks they haven't had discussions and conversations about a deal is wrong.
But that's just my opinion
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
If Jezza becomes PM and commands a majority, I'm sure the EU will entertain him with regards to discussing a deal. Same really applies to anyone whose PM and can command a majority. As unlikely as that may be right now.

Doesn't mean something will be negotiated though.

Otherwise it's just gonna be May's deal, with a very ambitious possibility that the backstop can be removed/reworked.

But I think the backstop ship has sailed.
 

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