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MarkusThatch

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I didn't know QT had directed this Once Opon A Time In America. He must have been been very young at the time.

Bri
It was very early when I started blurting.
 

MarkusThatch

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Joking aside I'm afraid I agree with much of what you said. America is the far better film.

Bri
I feel like watching that and West just to remind myself that 3 hour films aren't all the same!
 

Coz22998

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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - 4K UHD blu-ray. Late to the Tarantino party but that sort of sums up my feelings towards the once maverick director. For me his early films were event movies, I'd rush out to see them, watch them more than once at the cinema, they were a real treat. But latterly I've lost the enthusiasm for his films to such a degree I still haven't seen Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight. I'll get around to it most probably.

Anyway, back to OUATIH. It sure is beautiful to look at, the sense of place, the colour palette, it all looks gorgeous - and the camera/Tarantino sure loves Brad. But this is where my problems with this film begin - it spends a lot of time (a. lot. of. time.) just looking at characters going about their daily lives looking beautiful. Maybe Tarantino was inspired by Ozu's Tokyo Story where we see a lot of mundane life and not a great deal happens or maybe i'm being too generous.

The signature sound tracks that characterise Tarantino's films (along with the extreme violence and obscure pop culture chat) is present if not quite correct - the music is great but maybe a bit obvious and overfamiliar for that era. I think Edgar Wright has possibly bested him on this front these days, particularly thinking of Baby Driver.

The story itself certainly doesn't zip along. It takes it's sweet time to get anywhere and this is another problem for me - it made me think of other films that fuse real life and imaginary characters in Hollywood, such as L.A. Confidential, which do it much more effectively imo. And that also reminded me of I think it was Kermode's comments that Tarantino desperately needs a strong editor who can say "no" to him. He's self indulgent and borderline a parody of his once masterful storyteller self (although in truth his best work is Jackie Brown which isn't his story which says it all). Scenes meander and seemingly go nowhere, a bit like the film as a whole.

I wanted to love this, as much as Tarantino loves Hollywood men, the 'real' men of old Hollywood. It's an era of Hollywood that I find fascinating with the then still powerful global superstars of the era, the politics of the time and the Manson Family episode (which drew me towards Mindhunter on Netflix). But in the end this feels like a really big missed opportunity. It doesn't really offer any insight into the Family and it's insane philosophy, it dangles interesting and flawed characters such as McQueen, Manson himself, Bruce Lee and doesn't do a whole lot with them.

But maybe I've missed the point, maybe he was commenting on Hollywood of the time, the cult of personality and so on. Maybe it's me that's changed and Tarantino is the same. I didn't hate it, i didn't love it. I'm pretty ambivalent towards the whole thing. Either way, I'm not exactly chomping at the bit for his 10th film.
Interesting that this is proving as divisive as Joker.

I think for me, while I agree on everything you've said, its a film that lives or dies by its ending - its one of those where the ending suddenly clicks everything into place:
the fairy tale nature of it all allows different readings of each of the scenes, bringing more to each as a result (Pacino being seen as wise old Yoda type, etc); but its that stunning reveal of Tate being left alive that suddenly makes you realise that its not just a fairy tale but one tinged with real sadness - here, the princess got to live when we all know that she didn't. Without that very ending, the rest of it would have felt almost exactly as you've said - an odd mix of a fake reality (these fake actors acting with real life directors and in real films) and self indulgence amped up to high heaven...…..but I forgave it all with that final camera pan up and it remains the only QT film that I've wept a little tear over.

You can almost imagine a young QT tucked up in bed and his mum telling him this exact story to get his off to sleep...…...almost.

Now Joker on the other hand...………Jesus……….:facepalm:

:D
 

MarkusThatch

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Interesting that this is proving as divisive as Joker.

I think for me, while I agree on everything you've said, its a film that lives or dies by its ending - its one of those where the ending suddenly clicks everything into place:
the fairy tale nature of it all allows different readings of each of the scenes, bringing more to each as a result (Pacino being seen as wise old Yoda type, etc); but its that stunning reveal of Tate being left alive that suddenly makes you realise that its not just a fairy tale but one tinged with real sadness - here, the princess got to live when we all know that she didn't. Without that very ending, the rest of it would have felt almost exactly as you've said - an odd mix of a fake reality (these fake actors acting with real life directors and in real films) and self indulgence amped up to high heaven...…..but I forgave it all with that final camera pan up and it remains the only QT film that I've wept a little tear over.

You can almost imagine a young QT tucked up in bed and his mum telling him this exact story to get his off to sleep...…...almost.

Now Joker on the other hand...………Jesus……….:facepalm:

:D
I get what you mean, but

the ending made it feel pointless for me. I know he did this with the Hitler thing in Inglorius, changing the outcome of a real life character for a 'fairytale' what we wished had happened but the Tate murder is so notorious I personally can't get over what happened to her and take myself out of the story and place myself in QT's story.
 

Coz22998

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Deadly Embrace (88 Films, region B - UK disc, part of The Best of '80's Scream Queens boxset)

And so, one of the very worst sets I've had the misfortune to own rounds out with one of the very worst film's I've had the misfortune to watch.

A stunningly amateur erotic thriller that is neither erotic nor thrilling, its the kind of thing you'd imagine Tommy Wiseau turning his nose up at. For a film that has the stunning Michell Bauer cast as 'Female Spirit of Sex', expectations were set.

But no. Its another softcore sex film where the sex looks like two semi-naked people having fits on top of each other. For what feels like hours. And what's worse is like the antithesis of the previous film in the set, here its ALL sex - when our lunk-headed Craig Scheffer wannabe gardener wakes up, rubs his eyes, looks confusingly into the camera, we instantly cut to Linnea Quigley gyrating bathed in neon light, to symbolise he's thinking about sex. Which he does...….a lot.........including while he's actually having lots of the actual sex.

Jan-Michael Vincent must have had some of the blond hair dye he's suspiciously sporting on his majestic mullet leak into his head as his parting shot when he sees his wife dead on the floor is to grin like Arnold in T2 but somehow worse before being shot by his now undead wife rising up just to shoot him before dying. Again.

People have sex. Odd, unending, unsexy sex. For most of the film. Someone gets grumpy and kidnaps someone for a few minutes before some people die, there's some more unsexy sex and the wraparound plot/narration finally decides to embrace its school assembly vibe fully.

It makes the Red Shoe Diaries look like Last Tango in Paris. To be fair it makes Coronation Street look like Last Tango in Paris. Utterly risible and any film with those lovely Quigley boobs in that actually puts me off boobs is a crime against humanity.

Avoid this and the entire 88 Films set - I expected some ropey horror films of the so-bad-its-good variety. And boobs. And while I got the latter, it ain't enough to make me sit through the actual films themselves. THIS is why God invented internet porn........to spare us having to sit through crap like this...….
 
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Coz22998

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I get what you mean, but

the ending made it feel pointless for me. I know he did this with the Hitler thing in Inglorius, changing the outcome of a real life character for a 'fairytale' what we wished had happened but the Tate murder is so notorious I personally can't get over what happened to her and take myself out of the story and place myself in QT's story.
Aye - and where that approach clicked for me here, I didn't like Inglorious for almost the same reason...…..well, different strokes and all that. At least both are better than Deadly Embrace...……..:eek:
 

OriusFox

Standard Member
Ready Player One (4K)
AKA "Remember That? - The Movie"


For context on where I'm coming from, watch this in-depth analysis by "Just Write" on the hollowness of the movie's plot:

I loved Spielberg movies. He has often been able to look at the world with a childlike eye. Many people remember him for his bigger blockbuster successes (and failures), but I think what defines this childlike innocence the best was Close Encounters of the Third Kind, looking at something as terrifying as an alien invasion with an optimistic perspective instead of paranoid delusion (see X-Files). His films often had heart, which I feel is an important element many films today have disregarded, the kind of sincerity to promise children that in times of darkness, kindness and compassion will prevail. That kind of heart.

But there has always been a problem with Spielberg's bigger blockbusters: they are simple and naive. They make for great, big blockbuster spectacles, but more often than not, they are hollow set-pieces strung together. And while it's nice for movies to revisit your childlike innocence from time to time, once you stopped dreaming about playing with dinosaurs and spacemen as a seven year old, you are back in your crappy 9 to 5 job, working your way through your second divorce, fighting for your three children's custody, paying the medical fees for your liver cancer because you spent too much time on the bottle trying to forget what could have been a happy life. Then if it gets too much, you have that .38 Smith & Wesson in your drawer should you ever need it. Meanwhile, the world's trying to kill each other as they suck dry the natural resources regardless of the melting icecaps. Yeah. Depressing, isn't it? Escapism. A moment of escape instead of fixing your lifelong problems.

For the longest time since middle school (15 years ago), I've been working on a screenplay called "The Escapist". It tackles exactly the kind of themes that Ready Player One should have confronted head on instead of shying away from them. You have this lonely kid who loves movies, just like me. His entire childhood was built on fictional characters with fictional values, worshiping them because fictional people are nicer than real ones. They forgive you, they love you without prejudice, and justice always wins. But in his escape to a virtual world, he loses sight of the beauty in the real world. Not only will he never learn what it means to love another real person, he begins to lose connection with his humanity as well and starts to become something of a monster. It doesn't end well, and to be honest, I haven't really found a compelling argument yet (for the script) on why reality is just so much better. Steven Spielberg, being ten times more talented than I am, should have the capacity to create that argument in this movie and subvert escapism, Starship Troopers style. He didn't.

I think when it comes to movies, I've always been a weirdo. Many people will be satisfied with two hours of sequences that look cool visually, but I've always been more interested in the emotions of the story and the humanity of the characters. I'm more about having my eyes opened to new and unique ideas and philosophies. Maybe that's why I'm just not all that excited to go to the movies these days because so many movies are about better visuals or rehashed ideas. And Ready Player One, a movie that tries to celebrate the very pop culture that taught me important lessons about love and friendship as a kid, only using that pop culture to make superficial references to Easter Eggs? That hits hard. I've always loathed that kind of superficiality. I tried my best not to act pretentious in front of other film buffs over the years, but I've always been annoyed that I cared more about the philosophies and ideals presented in movies rather than what particular relationship Harley Quinn has with Black Mask or what comic book Batman's latest bat-suit is from. Those are just superficial details I'm bored with. Who cares that the DeLorean is from Back to the Future? What about the idea of trying to change your past but appreciating your present? That was what's important about Back to the Future, not some gosh darned car!

And it feels really lonely being the only one among my peers who cares about this stuff. I know there are a lot more intelligent film buffs out there who actively discusses this stuff, but I tell you, Singaporeans can be so shallow - even my lecturer at my film school told me that. And being a 15 year old kid wanting to discuss philosophy while your classmates are amazed by Michael Bay's Transformers movies? Yeah, good luck.

So it's not just that one scene where The Iron Giant acts against what he stands for, an anti-gun message; it's the entire film missing the point of why those films and pop culture are so enduring and beloved in the first place. I could list a dozen examples of the more important messages within those films Ready Player One have referenced, but that's not what this review is about. It's about the kind of culture that Ready Player One is perpetuating, the kind of "Hey, remember this?" nostalgic culture that is responsible for those soulless Disney live action remakes, the very corporate culture that the villain of this film stands for, which is so ludicrous that you have to wonder if Spielberg was just lazy or just out of touch in his storytelling.

Yes, it serves for a good time. Yes, I cheered when a certain Japanese robot flew down to fight the other Japanese robot; these references are cool and awesome and popcorn-worthy... But that's all they are, and "that's all they are" without the kind of substance of the pop culture that's being referenced here aren't what Terminator or Aliens or The Iron Giant are about, because that's not all they were. They're not forgettable popcorn movies that you won't bother to remember 10 years down the road. They're not merely to distract you from boredom, and so isn't science fiction. Science fiction as a genre has been corrupted over the years. Its original function was a reflection of humanity, not a penis-measuring contest to see who can come up with the most profitable and expensive visual effects.

In essence? Ready Player One is contributing to the very thing that's killing cinema.

★ ★

Footnote: Ask yourself: would it make any difference if they have replaced all the references in the movie with other kinds of references? Like say, maybe anime references? Would it make any difference that instead of The Shining, it's Taxi Driver or Halloween - the original one - that was referenced? I don't think so.

I couldn't care less that some main character from Overwatch appeared in the film because that's all she was - some pop culture icon for the wise guys to feel good about themselves having identified such a character.

In a way, this is like the Cinema Sins of movies, but glorifying superficial facts instead of criticizing them.
 
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brian s

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I feel like watching that and West just to remind myself that 3 hour films aren't all the same!
I've never seen West and it's an age since I last saw America. In fact I still haven't watched my blu of it. Since my cancer I've had real problems watching longer films. Not that I'm counting but it's now 4 years and 10 months since I got my all clear. I'm a lot better than I was but I still baulk at the thought of watching longer films especially if they are also very serious. I'll have to watch the blu of America even if it's over 2 nights.

Bri
 

Jim Di Griz

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Ready Player One (4K)
AKA "Remember That? - The Movie"


For context on where I'm coming from, watch this in-depth analysis by "Just Write" on the hollowness of the movie's plot:

I loved Spielberg movies. He has often been able to look at the world with a childlike eye. Many people remember him for his bigger blockbuster successes (and failures), but I think what defines this childlike innocence the best was Close Encounters of the Third Kind, looking at something as terrifying as an alien invasion with an optimistic perspective instead of paranoid delusion (see X-Files). His films often had heart, which I feel is an important element many films today have disregarded, the kind of sincerity to promise children that in times of darkness, kindness and compassion will prevail. That kind of heart.

But there has always been a problem with Spielberg's bigger blockbusters: they are simple and naive. They make for great, big blockbuster spectacles, but more often than not, they are hollow set-pieces strung together. And while it's nice for movies to revisit your childlike innocence from time to time, once you stopped dreaming about playing with dinosaurs and spacemen as a seven year old, you are back in your crappy 9 to 5 job, working your way through your second divorce, fighting for your three children's custody, paying the medical fees for your liver cancer because you spent too much time on the bottle trying to forget what could have been a happy life. Then if it gets too much, you have that .38 Smith & Wesson in your drawer should you ever need it. Meanwhile, the world's trying to kill each other as they suck dry the natural resources regardless of the melting icecaps. Yeah. Depressing, isn't it? Escapism. A moment of escape instead of fixing your lifelong problems.

For the longest time since middle school (15 years ago), I've been working on a screenplay called "The Escapist". It tackles exactly the kind of themes that Ready Player One should have confronted head on instead of shying away from them. You have this lonely kid who loves movies, just like me. His entire childhood was built on fictional characters with fictional values, worshiping them because fictional people are nicer than real ones. They forgive you, they love you without prejudice, and justice always wins. But in his escape to a virtual world, he loses sight of the beauty in the real world. Not only will he never learn what it means to love another real person, he begins to lose connection with his humanity as well and starts to become something of a monster. It doesn't end well, and to be honest, I haven't really found a compelling argument yet (for the script) on why reality is just so much better. Steven Spielberg, being ten times more talented than I am, should have the capacity to create that argument in this movie and subvert escapism, Starship Troopers style. He didn't.

I think when it comes to movies, I've always been a weirdo. Many people will be satisfied with two hours of sequences that look cool visually, but I've always been more interested in the emotions of the story and the humanity of the characters. I'm more about having my eyes opened to new and unique ideas and philosophies. Maybe that's why I'm just not all that excited to go to the movies these days because so many movies are about better visuals or rehashed ideas. And Ready Player One, a movie that tries to celebrate the very pop culture that taught me important lessons about love and friendship as a kid, only using that pop culture to make superficial references to Easter Eggs? That hits hard. I've always loathed that kind of superficiality. I tried my best not to act pretentious in front of other film buffs over the years, but I've always been annoyed that I cared more about the philosophies and ideals presented in movies rather than what particular relationship Harley Quinn has with Black Mask or what comic book Batman's latest bat-suit is from. Those are just superficial details I'm bored with. Who cares that the DeLorean is from Back to the Future? What about the idea of trying to change your past but appreciating your present? That was what's important about Back to the Future, not some gosh darned car!

And it feels really lonely being the only one among my peers who cares about this stuff. I know there are a lot more intelligent film buffs out there who actively discusses this stuff, but I tell you, Singaporeans can be so shallow - even my lecturer at my film school told me that. And being a 15 year old kid wanting to discuss philosophy while your classmates are amazed by Michael Bay's Transformers movies? Yeah, good luck.

So it's not just that one scene where The Iron Giant acts against what he stands for, an anti-gun message; it's the entire film missing the point of why those films and pop culture are so enduring and beloved in the first place. I could list a dozen examples of the more important messages within those films Ready Player One have referenced, but that's not what this review is about. It's about the kind of culture that Ready Player One is perpetuating, the kind of "Hey, remember this?" nostalgic culture that is responsible for those soulless Disney live action remakes, the very corporate culture that the villain of this film stands for, which is so ludicrous that you have to wonder if Spielberg was just lazy or just out of touch in his storytelling.

Yes, it serves for a good time. Yes, I cheered when a certain Japanese robot flew down to fight the other Japanese robot; these references are cool and awesome and popcorn-worthy... But that's all they are, and "that's all they are" without the kind of substance of the pop culture that's being referenced here aren't what Terminator or Aliens or The Iron Giant are about, because that's not all they were. They're not forgettable popcorn movies that you won't bother to remember 10 years down the road. They're not merely to distract you from boredom, and so isn't science fiction. Science fiction as a genre has been corrupted over the years. Its original function was a reflection of humanity, not a penis-measuring contest to see who can come up with the most profitable and expensive visual effects.

In essence? Ready Player One is contributing to the very thing that's killing cinema.

★ ★

Footnote: Ask yourself: would it make any difference if they have replaced all the references in the movie with other kinds of references? Like say, maybe anime references? Would it make any difference that instead of The Shining, it's Taxi Driver or Halloween - the original one - that was referenced? I don't think so.

I couldn't care less that some main character from Overwatch appeared in the film because that's all she was - some pop culture icon for the wise guys to feel good about themselves having identified such a character.

In a way, this is like the Cinema Sins of movies, but glorifying superficial facts instead of criticizing them.
I notice you never mention the disc or the PQ/AQ/extras etc. Any reason?
 

Jim Di Griz

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I've never seen West and it's an age since I last saw America. In fact I still haven't watched my blu of it. Since my cancer I've had real problems watching longer films. Not that I'm counting but it's now 4 years and 10 months since I got my all clear. I'm a lot better than I was but I still baulk at the thought of watching longer films especially if they are also very serious. I'll have to watch the blu of America even if it's over 2 nights.

Bri
Bri you really need to watch West. Its a lot better than some other long films you have watched (cough...marvel...cough!) and is an absolute classic - my joint favourite Western and Leone film. A shade above America (which is also brilliant).
 

OriusFox

Standard Member
I notice you never mention the disc or the PQ/AQ/extras etc. Any reason?
Not really any particular reason. I just wasn't aware I was required to. I'm more interested in reviewing the movie than the superfluous extras. Most extras are mostly the same anyway; behind-the-scenes, the actors being paid to say how great it has been working together, and of course, the visual effects which I really don't care about.
 

Jim Di Griz

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Not really any particular reason. I just wasn't aware I was required to. I'm more interested in reviewing the movie than the superfluous extras. Most extras are mostly the same anyway; behind-the-scenes, the actors being paid to say how great it has been working together; and of course, the visual effects which I really don't care about.
But not mentioning the 4K picture and audio? At all? When thats the point of 4K discs? Hmmm..
 

OriusFox

Standard Member
But not mentioning the 4K picture and audio? At all? When thats the point of 4K discs? Hmmm..
I could say how pristine the 4K picture is and how loud the bass-boost from my stereo was for the four to five 4K movies I've seen over the past couple of weeks... but that would get old fast.

I mean, I love watching it on 4K than a lesser resolution, but I don't really see the point of raising up such a superficial detail.

Anyway, if it bothers you guys so much, I'll just stick to posting in the other movie review thread from now on.
 

Jim Di Griz

Distinguished Member
I could say how pristine the 4K picture is and how loud the bass-boost from my stereo was for the four to five 4K movies I've seen over the past couple of weeks... but that would get old fast.

I mean, I love watching it on 4K than a lesser resolution, but I don't really see the point of raising up such a superficial detail.

Anyway, if it bothers you guys so much, I'll just stick to posting in the other movie review thread from now on.
Well its not just the extra resolution is it? For me - and many others I suspect - the biggest boost from 4K discs is the HDR/WCG, the extra colour range simply beats Blu-ray all ends up for the vast majority of discs and I think people reading about 4K discs want to know this stuff. Bass-boost from your stereo? Not sure if that is supposed to be a joke but you might want a 5.1 system at least.

You do have a 4K system right?
 

OriusFox

Standard Member
Well its not just the extra resolution is it? For me - and many others I suspect - the biggest boost from 4K discs is the HDR/WCG, the extra colour range simply beats Blu-ray all ends up for the vast majority of discs and I think people reading about 4K discs want to know this stuff. Bass-boost from your stereo? Not sure if that is supposed to be a joke but you might want a 5.1 system at least.

You do have a 4K system right?
I have a 4K television and a soundbar. The soundbar comes with a bass... thingy box. I don't know, technical terms, boring stuff.

I'll just stick to posting in the movie forum from now on, saving us the trouble of this tedious conversation.
 

Nayfne

Distinguished Member
:thumbsup:I always enjoy listening to peoples reactions on the quality of the disc as well as the film.
 

Nayfne

Distinguished Member
Doctor Sleep 4k UHD Blu Ray Projected.

Woohoo, really not what i was expecting, i never read the Stephen King Book of this, but i swear I've read a book very similar in fashion, or parts taken from that book, are in this film, either way, i think this will grow on me.

So we went for the 4k theatrical version at runtime of 2hrs 32 mins i think, but the blu ray has the extended/directors cut or whatever it is, with a runtime of about 3 hours!! So i guess i need to watch it sooner rather than later.

Right, so after the tragic events of "The Shining" we catch up with danny and her mother, 1980 Florida, obviously not the original cast, but decent look a likes. It just gives a feel of what's to come, the shine is getting stronger, as is danny and conquering his fears, we then switch to a group, a cult, very persuasive with their ways, i would class this group similar to "Vampires" ( not in the sense of scared of sunlight etc) of the shining world, hunting down and extracting, these things are relentless in their task, tracking and persuing, this is where i wasn't expecting this type of story, but it works really well as the fim progresses.

Jump forward to the present, and we are bang up to date, with danny as an adult ( Ewan McGregor) a seething alcoholic, still having visons, night terrors, but his shine is subdued due to the alcohol, hes keeping is head down, out of mind and out of sight, on the move, possibly from the past, himself, or both? But he can only stay hidden for so long. Starts to make friends with an unlikely teenager, but this is where the second half of the film opens up, it turns into a dective/thriller but with some clever mind games/tricks. The hunters are relentless but could soon become the hunted?

I really enjoyed some of cool out of body style experiences, the battle of minds and tricks, we get to see different tricks and powers of the "Shiners" There's also nice touches that pass from the original, i swear,.when danny is chatting with the Dr in his office, to my eyes, it looks identical to the overlook office in yhe shining, where Jack Nicholson has his interview, not 100% sure though. And i got all giddy and goosebumpy when the overlook hits the screen and the music pours out. I can't say anymore because of spoilers etc but i actually really liked the path they went with this film, as i said, really wasn't expecting it. Think i need to watch the extended version though.

PQ from the 4k disc is pretty excellent, the usual culprits, HDR10+ Dolby Vision etc and presented with a 1.85.1( i think) screen filling Aspect Ratio. Blacks are very good, colours are natural but also have a lovely pop to them on certain scenes. Detail is excellent on pretty much every frame. The snow fall and snowcapped mountains on the windy road up.to the overlook lend a sense of fear and dredd HDR and WCG win.out here as well as the added resolution. The white piercing eyes illuminate against the dark background, orange flames burn bright and are rich in colour.

SQ,.wow, now this was a Sonic Treat, in the guise of a wonderfully recognised Dolby Atmos soundtrack, its just brilliant. Dialouge is so easy to follow and clear, but its the use of the soundstage as a whole, theres a heart beat thump through a lot of the film, underpinned nicely by solid LFE, there's ambient effects going on,.but its the dynamics and openness that win. Certain parts of the original track ( The Shinning) are maintained, flowing and tinkering effortlessly above and around the soundstage. Theres some great left to right, right to left, front to back, back to front sound effects that are visceral, creaks and cracks just open up the listening area, then we get hit with the original score, somewhat digitized and sounding amazing, goosebump time.

So, a very different angle to what inwas expecting, but one i enjoyed, won't win awards, but it makes me want to watch the directors cut Blu Ray now, 30 minutes of film to catch up on.good job i have a week off!, enjoy the film, and the Atmos fir those equipped:clap:
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
I missed Doctor Sleep at the cinema, but I am very happy to learn the Director's Cut is what the Blu release is. So will be picking it up soon.

Also happy that the film was generally well received (especially on here), as I had feared it would end up being a poor man's Shining. Flanagan however appears to have done a great job.
 

Jim Di Griz

Distinguished Member
Doctor Sleep 4k UHD Blu Ray Projected.

Woohoo, really not what i was expecting, i never read the Stephen King Book of this, but i swear I've read a book very similar in fashion, or parts taken from that book, are in this film, either way, i think this will grow on me.

So we went for the 4k theatrical version at runtime of 2hrs 32 mins i think, but the blu ray has the extended/directors cut or whatever it is, with a runtime of about 3 hours!! So i guess i need to watch it sooner rather than later.

Right, so after the tragic events of "The Shining" we catch up with danny and her mother, 1980 Florida, obviously not the original cast, but decent look a likes. It just gives a feel of what's to come, the shine is getting stronger, as is danny and conquering his fears, we then switch to a group, a cult, very persuasive with their ways, i would class this group similar to "Vampires" ( not in the sense of scared of sunlight etc) of the shining world, hunting down and extracting, these things are relentless in their task, tracking and persuing, this is where i wasn't expecting this type of story, but it works really well as the fim progresses.

Jump forward to the present, and we are bang up to date, with danny as an adult ( Ewan McGregor) a seething alcoholic, still having visons, night terrors, but his shine is subdued due to the alcohol, hes keeping is head down, out of mind and out of sight, on the move, possibly from the past, himself, or both? But he can only stay hidden for so long. Starts to make friends with an unlikely teenager, but this is where the second half of the film opens up, it turns into a dective/thriller but with some clever mind games/tricks. The hunters are relentless but could soon become the hunted?

I really enjoyed some of cool out of body style experiences, the battle of minds and tricks, we get to see different tricks and powers of the "Shiners" There's also nice touches that pass from the original, i swear,.when danny is chatting with the Dr in his office, to my eyes, it looks identical to the overlook office in yhe shining, where Jack Nicholson has his interview, not 100% sure though. And i got all giddy and goosebumpy when the overlook hits the screen and the music pours out. I can't say anymore because of spoilers etc but i actually really liked the path they went with this film, as i said, really wasn't expecting it. Think i need to watch the extended version though.

PQ from the 4k disc is pretty excellent, the usual culprits, HDR10+ Dolby Vision etc and presented with a 1.85.1( i think) screen filling Aspect Ratio. Blacks are very good, colours are natural but also have a lovely pop to them on certain scenes. Detail is excellent on pretty much every frame. The snow fall and snowcapped mountains on the windy road up.to the overlook lend a sense of fear and dredd HDR and WCG win.out here as well as the added resolution. The white piercing eyes illuminate against the dark background, orange flames burn bright and are rich in colour.

SQ,.wow, now this was a Sonic Treat, in the guise of a wonderfully recognised Dolby Atmos soundtrack, its just brilliant. Dialouge is so easy to follow and clear, but its the use of the soundstage as a whole, theres a heart beat thump through a lot of the film, underpinned nicely by solid LFE, there's ambient effects going on,.but its the dynamics and openness that win. Certain parts of the original track ( The Shinning) are maintained, flowing and tinkering effortlessly above and around the soundstage. Theres some great left to right, right to left, front to back, back to front sound effects that are visceral, creaks and cracks just open up the listening area, then we get hit with the original score, somewhat digitized and sounding amazing, goosebump time.

So, a very different angle to what inwas expecting, but one i enjoyed, won't win awards, but it makes me want to watch the directors cut Blu Ray now, 30 minutes of film to catch up on.good job i have a week off!, enjoy the film, and the Atmos fir those equipped:clap:
Ta Nayfne. I really enjoyed the book and it seem like they've captured that with the film. Got a steelbook on pre-order so Ill have to wait a bit longer!
 

Nayfne

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Ta Nayfne. I really enjoyed the book and it seem like they've captured that with the film. Got a steelbook on pre-order so Ill have to wait a bit longer!
Really enjoyed it, not as fear enducing as the original, completely different take, but very effective as a film, well worth a watch.
 

Coz22998

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Doctor Sleep 4k UHD Blu Ray Projected.

Woohoo, really not what i was expecting, i never read the Stephen King Book of this, but i swear I've read a book very similar in fashion, or parts taken from that book, are in this film, either way, i think this will grow on me.

So we went for the 4k theatrical version at runtime of 2hrs 32 mins i think, but the blu ray has the extended/directors cut or whatever it is, with a runtime of about 3 hours!! So i guess i need to watch it sooner rather than later.

Right, so after the tragic events of "The Shining" we catch up with danny and her mother, 1980 Florida, obviously not the original cast, but decent look a likes. It just gives a feel of what's to come, the shine is getting stronger, as is danny and conquering his fears, we then switch to a group, a cult, very persuasive with their ways, i would class this group similar to "Vampires" ( not in the sense of scared of sunlight etc) of the shining world, hunting down and extracting, these things are relentless in their task, tracking and persuing, this is where i wasn't expecting this type of story, but it works really well as the fim progresses.

Jump forward to the present, and we are bang up to date, with danny as an adult ( Ewan McGregor) a seething alcoholic, still having visons, night terrors, but his shine is subdued due to the alcohol, hes keeping is head down, out of mind and out of sight, on the move, possibly from the past, himself, or both? But he can only stay hidden for so long. Starts to make friends with an unlikely teenager, but this is where the second half of the film opens up, it turns into a dective/thriller but with some clever mind games/tricks. The hunters are relentless but could soon become the hunted?

I really enjoyed some of cool out of body style experiences, the battle of minds and tricks, we get to see different tricks and powers of the "Shiners" There's also nice touches that pass from the original, i swear,.when danny is chatting with the Dr in his office, to my eyes, it looks identical to the overlook office in yhe shining, where Jack Nicholson has his interview, not 100% sure though. And i got all giddy and goosebumpy when the overlook hits the screen and the music pours out. I can't say anymore because of spoilers etc but i actually really liked the path they went with this film, as i said, really wasn't expecting it. Think i need to watch the extended version though.

PQ from the 4k disc is pretty excellent, the usual culprits, HDR10+ Dolby Vision etc and presented with a 1.85.1( i think) screen filling Aspect Ratio. Blacks are very good, colours are natural but also have a lovely pop to them on certain scenes. Detail is excellent on pretty much every frame. The snow fall and snowcapped mountains on the windy road up.to the overlook lend a sense of fear and dredd HDR and WCG win.out here as well as the added resolution. The white piercing eyes illuminate against the dark background, orange flames burn bright and are rich in colour.

SQ,.wow, now this was a Sonic Treat, in the guise of a wonderfully recognised Dolby Atmos soundtrack, its just brilliant. Dialouge is so easy to follow and clear, but its the use of the soundstage as a whole, theres a heart beat thump through a lot of the film, underpinned nicely by solid LFE, there's ambient effects going on,.but its the dynamics and openness that win. Certain parts of the original track ( The Shinning) are maintained, flowing and tinkering effortlessly above and around the soundstage. Theres some great left to right, right to left, front to back, back to front sound effects that are visceral, creaks and cracks just open up the listening area, then we get hit with the original score, somewhat digitized and sounding amazing, goosebump time.

So, a very different angle to what inwas expecting, but one i enjoyed, won't win awards, but it makes me want to watch the directors cut Blu Ray now, 30 minutes of film to catch up on.good job i have a week off!, enjoy the film, and the Atmos fir those equipped:clap:
Nice wordage as ever squire - I watched the Directors Cut last week and thought it frankly wonderful. Reviewed over in tother 'what I watched thread' (it not being a disc and all that jazz dontcha know.....), but it felt like reading a King novel...…..no higher compliment than that in my book! Brilliant stuff.
 

Nayfne

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Nice wordage as ever squire - I watched the Directors Cut last week and thought it frankly wonderful. Reviewed over in tother 'what I watched thread' (it not being a disc and all that jazz dontcha know.....), but it felt like reading a King novel...…..no higher compliment than that in my book! Brilliant stuff.
Cheers Dude, Will head over to the other thread and have a read dude..yes Coz,.i love Stephen King, will certainly watch the directors cut next time.
 

Coz22998

Distinguished Member
Sicario (Lionsgate, region free - UHD, UK disc)

A textbook example of how to show the bare minimum to hook and keep the audience hooked throughout...…….

For all the technical pizazz that Villeneuve brought to this (and he brought the lot), its Sheridan's script that is the star - from its opening hook, to drip feed of characters and events, to maintaining a constant sense of unease and growing dread, through to its third act reveal and giving us a dark, murky yet still wholly fulfilling conclusion, its totally wonderful.

The only slight mis-step for me is the thinly sketched Mexican policeman who's thread juts into the main narrative at several points throughout the film - it works on a level that it needs to (to show the impact of this seemingly nether world of international espionage on the everyman), yet because we never get to know him or his family, it begins to feel like an afterthought fairly quickly.

And yet if any more had been taken away from the main narrative it would have been missed. There's nary a misplaced line of dialogue or wasted character beat across the entire two hours, with the film feeling at times akin to a horror film than an action thriller of the more traditional kind - the ghoulish opening discovery to the startling attack on Blunt in her apartment, through to the tunnel descent, its pitched and shot exactly like a modern day scarefest, the sense of palpable tension ratcheted up to almost unbearable levels.

And the hallmark of the tightness of the script and the fantastic character work put in my all? The third act reveal that drowns in the mundanity and the darkness of the human soul - a similar third act reveal in Ad Astra elicited howls of that it was a letdown after all that had gone before: yet here it feels totally right for the world established and anything but would have been greeted with similar feelings to Pitt's classic/missed opportunity (delete as appropriate).

Stunning stuff.

As is the UHD from Lionsgate - crystal clear images give us the burning desert, the dry dust, the sweat in all its glory. No grain, no damage, huge amounts of depth to the image, all backed up by a wonderful use of WCG and limited but effective HDR. The Atmos track is stunningly powerful yet totally realistic - the sound of gunfire never feeling like its foley of dynamite being let off in a small room; yet it retains its punch and slam perfectly. Helicopters swoop in from everywhere, explosions kick the subs and dialogue is perfectly understandable and locked to the centre channel. A top tier transfer all round.

Summary - still stunning. And now even more so in this 4K disc that is near the top of the pile for me.
 
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