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WHAT HI-FI ultimate guide 2003

Discussion in 'Hi-Fi Stereo Systems & Separates' started by andrew constant, Apr 19, 2003.

  1. andrew constant

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    iin the mag they recomend vdh the first ultimate interconnect with some of their hi fi set ups at £245 a go has any one got some and was it money well spent ?
     
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    IMHO, no cable is worth that much cash. You could probably produce a DIY cable for a very small fraction of the price, and at least rival its performance.
     
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    That's nothing, Russ Andrews sell a 1 metre Kimber interconnect for over £1100!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    And there's a few people on this forum that own them!

    Come on, you know who you are. Give us a review.

    D.

    PS. Yes, cables can be worth that much.
     
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    I dont have the £1100 cables in mine,but do have a mixture of XLO and Kimbers,varying from £70/m to £400/m.....essentially as you go up the scale in terms of cost unless the amps/speakers etc are all of similar quality,you may not notice much increase in quality,so whilst it's worth buying good cables,it's also worth buying appropriately priced ones,and making you sure you like them before you buy.
    Kimbers give a smooth,open and fairly tight sound,but without excess brightness,which can be a problem with some makes.
    The higher priced XLO digital interconnects really are superb,and you CAN hear the difference immediately.....all depends on how much you want to spend.

    I've tried some of the VDH cables and never really liked the sound balance in my systems over the years,being a bit forward and veiled by comparison with my usual cables.....doesnt mean to say they dont work very well in other setups though.
     
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    i have been given a Nordost Red Dawn rcecently and goinf from a £20 interconnect to a £330 one was a real eye opener, its damn good. Van den Hul tend to be quite smooth wheras the Nordost i own tends to be a bit brighter (have been told its very neutral though) - it all depends on how you want it to sound. Balanced cables make quite a difference, but have never tried them, maybe on the new system:devil:
     
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    Balanced cables only make a difference if you have balanced output on the source (or pre-amp) and balanced input on your (power) amp.
     
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    I'd go further and say that if your pre-amp and amp don't have balanced inputs and outputs then balanced cables are very difficult to plug in ;)

    But seriously, they're only worth it then if the circuitry itself is balanced. Some manufacturers put balanced inputs and outputs on for marketing reasons even though the internal circuitry is only single-ended.

    D.
     
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    Mmm...that's interesting because my system is a little bright sounding, I wonder if this would fix it?
     
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    You were given a £330 interconnect.
    How do I go about getting one free?:D
     
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    easy, just be good friends with a very wealthy person!
     
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    That must be what I'm doing wrong - all my friends are poor! ('Course I am a student...)

    Dunc
     
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    I have 3 pairs of the First Ultimate connecting my pro to power amp. Some will say I've waisted my money. i say they're worth every penny. I tested other cheaper vdh cables but the first ultimate just had more detail and openess. And, heh, I have them for life. I don't think I'll ever change them even if I upgrade amps.

    my only advise is try them and listen, if you don't hear a difference they're not worth it.

    marc
     
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    There's a lot of rubbish talked about cables. How a particular cable will perform is dependant on your other components.

    vDH/Kimber cables cables sound full, but roll off treble hard, so suit systems that are toppy (Tag/B&W comes to mind). A Nordost/Chord cable might sound harsh or even brittle in this context.

    Match them with an open, lucid combo like Densen, ATC or Primare & they shine, where the former group tend to sound slow, ponderous & coloured.

    Some people are convinced that it's not worth spending decent money on cables, but this is a blinkered view. There are some great 2nd bargains to be had on high quality cables, & in the right context they will greatly outperform a component upgrade several times the price. In the wrong context however, the cable can extentuate the flaws in a system and render it unlistenable.

    Lecture over.

    What system do you have, and I'll try to come up with something reasonable to try?
     
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    My system is a little bright sounding so I've loaned a cable from my local HIFI store, it's a Chord Cobra 2. My system still sounds a little bright, it hasn't really done anything in the trebble, but the bass sounds a bit more fuller. My previous cable was a Cable Talk Advanced 3. Could you recommend a canble for me (see my kit below), cheers!
     
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    Strange, after extended listening I can't help but think I prefer my cheaper Cable Talk cable over the Chord one. To me the Chord cable has the effect of pulling the mid range in slightly, whereas the CableTalk projects it out more. Maybe it's because I've grown used to the way my setup sounds, and the Chord cable has changed it in a way that sounds different. :confused:
     
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    Like I said if your system sounds toppy, then a transmission line cable like Chord will only extentuate that. The vDH range might be worth trying as they roll off the treble, so should help with that problem. The QED Qnect range also does the same kind of thing, as does the CableTalk (which is most likely why you prefer it).

    The CableTalk Broadcast is also decent, and should give more detail than you current Advanced. Look out for a 2nd hand bit if possible. Loot, Hifi For Sale & eBay are always good for this.
     
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    Have to agree that cables,like all components,will have a sound dependent on the rest of the system,but there's nothing slow or ponderous with the system I have,and the treble certainly isn't rolled off......IMHO,Kimber cables simply transmit what's there.
     
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    The Broadcast does look tempting, it got a 5 star rating in What HIFI.
     

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