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What do I need ? Comments on proposed setup.

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Clueless, Jun 2, 2002.

  1. Clueless

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    Hi
    Been reading through the messages in the forums and doing some research on & off.
    Took the jump last week and sold my Toshiba 3787DB http://www.t3.co.uk/rev_print.asp?rev_id=12 which was getting too heavy to move around.
    Have bought a NEC MT1050 projector for home theatre / home office use and am asking for advice on setting it up.

    The equipment I wish to use includes
    1>NEC MT1050 LCD projector (s-video / video / 2 RGB)
    2>Thomson VPH6990 VCR (video out / 2 scarts)
    3>Panasonic NV-HD660 VCR (2 scarts)
    4>JVS HR-DVS3EK miniDV VCR (S-video out / scart)
    5>Cyberhome ADL528 DVD player (cheapo but has scart/ component/ video / svideo outs)
    6>Sky Digibox (yet to arrive)
    7>Sony GR-114 laptop (RGB output or can use video out)
    8>Desktop with Matrox G400 & RT2000 (RGB output / s-video / video for both playback and capture)

    Ok, so is this too complicated ?
    One of the VCR's can go if needed, probably the HD-660.


    The plan is to chain all these together so that I can
    1>record from SKY to VCR / desktop
    2>record from DVD to VCR / desktop
    3>record from VCR to VCR / desktop
    3>record from desktop/ laptop to VCR
    4>watch directly from any of the inputs


    What is the kit I need to do this?
    Have looked at HTPC based setups, not an option at this time due to mobility / stability constraints ( the RT 2000 is unstable enough as it is but need it for DV editing), a hardware application has to make do for now.

    So am I right in thinking a scan doubler and a switcher are necessary ? Any suggestions?

    Advice welcome.
     
  2. Chris Frost

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    Buy a good AV amp that supports Composite, S and Component video switching. It will need at least seven AV inputs, and 3 record outs plus monitor out for the projector.

    From source to amp:
    All VHS VCRs are routed via Composite.
    MiniDV via S and Composite
    DVD player via S
    Sky box via S (from an RGB to S converter) and Composite
    Laptop via Composite
    Desktop via S and Composite

    From amp to recorders:
    All VHS VCRs are routed via Composite.
    MiniDV via S and Composite
    Desktop via S and Composite

    From amp to projector:
    S and Composite.

    From PCs to projector
    Desktop to projector via RGB computer cable (to VGA 1)
    Laptop to projector via RGB computer cable (to VGA 2)


    A scan doubler will help reduce de-interlacing artifacts. This can be introduced between amp and projector since it works on just video format signals (ie no need to route PC VGA cables through it)

    A switcher would only help if it can convert between all video formats or can be tied in to switch in tandem with the AV amp. For the cost of something to this spec you could buy a top of the range AV amp with enough video ins/outs to handle all your switching.

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  3. Clueless

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    Thanks for the reply, am looking at AV amps.
    Recommendations ?

    Looking at reviews, the Harman Kardon AVR 3000 looks appropriate ?

    Too confused for others, comments appreciated.
     
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    Quadscan Pro / Centrestage / Iscan
    Others ?

    The ProV on AV Sales ?
    Have an offer on a NEC but they are 5 yr old units :-(

    S. Althaf
     
  5. Chris Frost

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    Don’t know much about that particular HK amp. Suggest you check the amplifier forum for more detail, or post a link to a review/manufacturers site so we can advise further.

    As far as I can tell, the ProV from AV Sales won’t solve your switching problem. Infact it will probably make things more complicated. Get your source switching sorted first before adding line doublers.

    A Line Doubler (aka De-interlacer) helps to reduce problems in the image like jagged edges on diagonal lines. There are several phrases used to describe the output signal, these include Progressive Scan, 480P and Line Doubled.

    A fixed panel projector will take a 480P signal and expand it to fill as much of the LCD/DLP imaging chip as possible. This is called scaling. The quality of the scaling built into a projector can have a big effect on picture quality.

    An external Scaler is a combination of a de-interlacer with some extra processing to make the image match the resolution of your projector.


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    Thanks for responding Chris

    Have been doing a bit more sleuthing.
    Going for switchers exclusively, Extron have a good line in cross matrix switchers, looks like the Matrix 50 8x8 S-Video Audio switcher (60-359FX) is the one. Though finding it at a price I will like is going to be difficult. RRP is 2750!

    The other option is a SW6SVAMX (60-358-01) which switches to just 2 outs, though it doesnt obviously do what I want and is the same as an amp. RRP is 400 odd.

    Cheapest of all is the Lex Quattro+ for 80 quid, remote controlled 6:1 switching via SCART.

    Well, If am to go for limited outs, then an amp sounds fine for the price, not looking to spend a lot really.

    All of these do what I need I presume, though as I said, they are a wide variation in price.

    My preference is for the Yamaha DVSAX2 or the Pioneer VSX-49TX depending on how cheap I can get them for. Next up would be the Denon 3802.


    Options are to go for

    Harman Kardon AVR 3000
    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes...ifiers/HarmanKardon/HarmanKardonAVR3000.shtml

    Harman Kardon AVR 4000 http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes...ifiers/HarmanKardon/HarmanKardonAVR4000.shtml

    Denon 2802 http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr2802/index.htm

    Denon 3802 http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr3802/index.htm
    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes.../testbench/Amplifiers/Denon/DenonAVR-3802.php

    Yamaha DSP AX630 http://www.avland.co.uk/yamaha/dspax630/index.htm

    Yamaha RX-V630 http://www.avland.co.uk/yamaha/rxv630/index.htm

    Yamaha DVSAX2 http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes...stbench/Amplifiers/Yamaha/YamahaDSP-AX2.shtml

    Marantz SR5200 http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr5200/
    Marantz SR7200 http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr7200/index.htm

    Pioneer VSX-49TX http://www.energenix.com/pioneer-elite-vsx-49tx.html

    Pioneer VSX-909RDS
    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes...inemachoice.com/testbench/Amplifiers/Pioneer/
    PioneerVSX909.shtml
    http://www.avland.co.uk/pioneer/vsx909/index.htm

    Rotel RSX972 http://www.homecinemachoice.com/tes...testbench/Amplifiers/Rotel/RotelRSX-972.shtml

    NAD T761 http://www.avland.co.uk/nad/t761/index.htm


    Comments welcome.

    Also, am testing the ProV from Monday and have started discussions about an Iscan Pro & Quadscan. Any recommendations for a good AV dealer in Devon ?

    Or should I wait for CEDIA ? Any likelihood of specials ?

    S. Althaf
     

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