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  1. johndoe1

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    Hi All,

    Bored of my RX100 and looking for a change. Love the RX100 but want something that can give a bit more depth of field.

    So my requirements are I would like the ability to produce potrait shots, decent video - that about it tbh as I guess most of the newer dslrs etc. can do pics just fine for a novice like myself.

    I like the look of the nex 6 as it seems a little more portable than most dslr's (however once that lens is on is it that much different?)

    but I dont want to lead anyone so budget is around £500ish... not a hard and fast budget but I dont want to get crazy. Thats just for the body and kit lens. Other lenses can come later.. dont want a Micro four thirds as I have already had one. So Nikon/Sony Nex or SLT/Canon - curve ball?

    Once concern I have with the Nex range is the cost of the lenses - there seems less choice and more cost involved.

    All help very much appreciated.
     
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    Have a look at some of the M4/3 systems from Panasonic and Olympus if you want to keep the size down ?

    ...or maybe even the Canon 100D ?
     
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    He doesnt want M4/3, only other options are NEX, NX & Fuji (over budget).
     
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    thanks - missed that but :facepalm: - still open to DSLR/T of course...
     
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    Best bet for combined still/video would be DSLT not DSLR (if you dont go CSC). BUT the SLT lenses can be noisy for AF.
     
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    So DSLR not really recommended for video is what I'm hearing... Im not against a bigger camera such as the dslt but noisey AF would put me off for sure.
     
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    Can be quieter but you are looking at much more expensive lenses so say bye bye to budget. NEX and 16-50 is a pretty good combo, the lens is quite compact unlike the old 18-55.
     
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    going to pop into Currys or something and see what they look like etc.. NEX 6 was on my very short list tbh - maybe get a prime later on for potraits.

    is it a definite no to the likes of Nikon d5200, Sony SLT and Canon 60D then, for casual video work? I would say now my kids are older the requirement for video'ing parties etc has somewhat reduced but it's still there. I would say getting great photos is 80% and video is 20%

    Can't shake the feeling that the NEX range are toys..
     
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    With DSLR your best results would always be manual focusing, the 70D is supposed to be pretty good but WAAAYYY over your budget. SLT Ive stated the disadvantage.

    NEX isnt a toy, marmite looks but fantastic performance, if you get on with the NEX lenses its definitely the best body IMHO (features vs value). Fuji is over budget and video isnt great.

    Only other viable option is M43.
     
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    :devil: :thumbsup:
     
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    If it were me Id go EPL-5 or if you need a VF an OMD, kit lens for everyday and a 45mm for shallow DOF. Either way whatever system you go for once adding lenses your budget is smashed.

    Is not wanting M43 based upon lack of shallow DOF or just a change?

    EDIT: I went Fuji as not bothered to much about video, otherwise wouldve been OMD. Ive had pretty much all the systems except Nikon 1.
     
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    yeh 70d over buget for sure... I think for the same performance as the nex would give all round I would blow the buget.. the lower range DSLR's in my budget dont seem to cover the video very well (If I am to belive reviews etc)
     
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    DSLR video is an addon, none of them do it very well, not even when I owned the very expensive D800, they just dont do video AF very well.
     
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    Looking at your requirements you say you want "greater depth of field" but also look to do portrait. Typically, protrait uses shallow depth of field to isolate the subject from the background. The RX100 has a f1.8 which is pretty good for a compact although not as good as larger sensors with the same fstop rating.

    So, I'd be looking for a big sensor compact with a small f stop, this will restrict you to a smal zoom range (typically 4x) but this does not seem to be a requirement for you. But there does not seem to be such a thing.

    if you want fixed lens APSC there is the Ricoh GR, Nikon A and Sigma DP1.
    if you want zoom there are the Samsung NX and Sony NEX APSC compoact system.
    otherwise its a DSLR like the Canon 100/700 with an STM lens (not as good for video) but these will not be fast f stop so not as good for portrail - get a 50mm f1.8 as well as the stm if you need both.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I meant shallow depth of field.

    I didnt want M43 again as when I had a G2 I didnt "get on" with the lenses - probably down to lack of skill though.

    I craved the OMD but it was out of budget and as silly as it may seem the lack of a inbuilt flash put me off - its now within buget but I am being drawn to the NEX for the larger sensor.
     
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    GR is 28mm, Nikon A is 28mm, DP1 is 16.6mm all are reasonably slow (aperture) and combined with wide lenses wont offer much shallow DOF. I believe the GR and DP1 are slow to focus not sure about the Nikon. Id bet the video is poor. Id steer clear.
     
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    The G2 is miles behind the latest M43 cameras, I had one and hated it. A larger sensor doesnt mean shallow DOF without the correct lenses.

    The lack of flash also put me off a bit so not that crazy.
     
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    Not just me on the G2 then.. it just didnt seem to work well with the 14-140 I had or the panny 20mm.

    I get that I need a suitable lens for shallow DOF, just thought it would be eaiser/better with larger sensor.

    I definitely need my EVF back! that was sorely missed from my G2.

    Is there a m4/3 with EVF that is a better choice than NEX6 then? for same money?
     
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    My requirements were pretty much the same as yours recently, I narrowed it down to, E-PL5, NEX6, OMD, XE-1.

    I bought an E-PL5, good IQ, no inbuilt flash. Never noticed much difference to my GX1 which I loved. so kept the GX1, handling was better, had a built in flash and was cheaper. After that I didnt see much point in spending loads more on the OMD for the same output (E-PL5 shares its sensor).

    I then bought an NEX6, fantastic camera, lenses didnt suit me. Sold.

    I now own a Fuji XE1 & 35mm 1.4, you can see my initial impressions on my thread.

    IMO no there isnt. If you want the wider range of lenses get a M43. If you just want a kit lens and a portrait lens get the NEX (If you need video).
     
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    Will do. Thanks.. Gut feeling though g5 or nex6..?
     
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    Will you stick with the kit lens and a single prime for portraits or will you buy into the system?
     
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    If a couple lenses are enough Id go with the NEX6. Its a great camera. Also.....

    G5 & 14-42 X = £490 + 45mm = £215 = £705
    NEX6 & kit lens = £585 + Sony 50mm = £180 = £765

    Not much in it.
     
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    Just a couple of lenses most likely.
     
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    My choice would be the NEX6 as youre eliminating lens choice you want the best body. The NEX6 is the best.
     
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    Thats pretty good as you can knock around £130 off the price. Or almost a free used 45mm. Down to budget as always.
     
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    its the none PZ kit though.. so not directly comparable.
     
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    Yeah, but the non PZ kit is still cheaper so youll still make a saving over the prices I posted.

    Depends on wether you have the money to stretch. Im guessing after the rigmarole of selling the regular and buying the PZ and selling the zoom etc theres still going to be a £100+ saving over NEX6.
     
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    nex 6 £503 at panamoz..
     

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