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We were Soldiers

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  1. conington

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    Futurenet have,Saturday, dispatched We were Soldiers nice and ealry, has anyone seen the film? Is it something I should rush home and watch or is it a rainy day "nothing better to watch" job?
     
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    If you like a war film which has plenty of blood guts and action then its for you. Saving Private Ryan in NAM
     
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    Ordered my copy late Sat night and it shipped today :)
     
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    I've been told it's a first class film and mine is on order from AB Sound.
     
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    Finally got around to seeing We were Soldiers last night, I thought it was a great film, it actually seemed to make a good job of bringing the horrors of war down to a personal level rather than just a shoot up of strangers, in fact better than Saving Private Ryan in my opinion (which I have never manged to bring myself to view until the end).
     
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    watched it last night and was mightly impressed.the sub got a work out with all the artillary and low level bombing.if you like saving ryan and band of brothers you will like this.even though its in vietnam.mel plays a good part to.if you aint got it get it.:)
     
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    Im Intrigued.

    Why?
     
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    Saw this film last night. Massively impressed by the ordeal that guys like this go through. I'm sure that every guy that experienced this battle has a better handle on life than I will ever have.

    BUT the film was an insult. This was 'not' so thinly disguised propaganda. What is it with Mel Gibson? Is he so grateful to have been given US citizenship that he has become the trumpet for the American way (Patriot for example, which I actually enjoyed BTW)?

    I know that all films manipulate the viewers emotions, but come on let's see it done with some subtlety.
     
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    I dont think 'subtle' is in either the American Or Austrailian Dictionaries.
     
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    Hi Guys,
    I'm thinking about getting 'We Were Soldiers'.
    Thing is Jonathan Ross said it was a Pro War Movie
    and that it portrays the US Involvement in 'The Nam'
    as being somehow righteous & good. Truth is the War
    in Vietnam was typical US exploitation of a peasant
    people using a puppet administration government in
    South Vietnam. The Vietnamese people only wanted
    the right to self determination for their own country.
    The US, like the French before them, should never have
    set foot in Vietnam.
    Other movies that do well to enlighten one to the truth
    behind the whole vietnam episode are as follows:-
    (They're on dvd BTW!!)

    A Bright Shining Lie - Starring Bill Paxton
    Platoon - Oliver Stone
    Born On the Fourth of July - Oliver Stone
    JFK - Oliver Stone - VERY VERY INFORMATIVE!!
    Nixon - Oliver Stone
    Heaven & Earth - Oliver Stone - VERY INFORMATIVE!!
    (Get The R1 Director Cut Versions!!)
    Audio commentaries essential, usually Special Editions
    Oliver Stone & Capt Dale Dye actually served in The Nam!!
    They know what they are talking about!!!!

    Avoid at all costs 'The Green Berets' it's false & pro war
    Apocalypse Now Redux - Entertaining yes but surreal!!
    Heavy Metal Jacket - Good Fun but false.

    Can't wait to see 'We were soldiers' If it's fake and it
    glorifies Uncle Sam's presence in Vietnam ,it will be dumped!!

    loz99
     
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    You didn't mention The Deer Hunter.

    Weren't the North Vietnamese taking South Vietnam from the South Vietnamese?
     
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    Yes I did forget to mention 'The Deer Hunter',which I
    love very much.
    The Deer Hunter isn't a Vietnam War Film as such but
    rather a film about how devastating any war can be
    on individual families & relationships between friends.
    The Deer Hunter conveys this perfectly & poignantly.

    Also forgot to mention 'Hamburger Hill' which I haven't
    seen but from what I gather, it would seem to be similar
    in storyline to 'We were Soldiers'. It's hard to avoid the
    politics of a war in a war movie especially when the question 'WHY?' invariably pops up so often when wars
    are fought and portrayed on our movies & tv screens.
    A lot of people out there just prefer to watch and be
    entertained, war is brutally cruel, uncompromising and
    brings out the absolute worst side of human nature.
    Politicians in high places exploit this for many different
    reasons, they make the wars. The poor brave souls
    who are sent to do the fighting don't have a say in
    the matter, are not allowed to. WW1 was disgusting!!
    So a movie should at least pay homage to their sacrifice,
    courage & bravery but Never,Never glorify the war itself.
    Bring the soldiers home and send the politicians instead.
    Plato said 'Only The Dead Have Seen the End Of War'.
    Who said 'Patriotism is the Last Refuge of the Scoundrel'?.

    North Vietnam was indeed attacking South Vietnam.
    reason? To free it from US Control and to Unite Vietnam.
    So the Vietnamese themselves should govern themselves!
    Go get dvd 'Heaven & Earth' Region 4 and ' A Bright
    Shining Lie'. These were both based on books.
    Maybe JFK & Nixon later??

    BTW do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald Killed JFK??

    loz99
     
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    Did some research on JFK assassination for a paper at college back in 1972. Incontrovertibly no. LHO did not shoot JFK.

    The documentary 'Rush to Judgement' says it all. Fascinating to see witnesses of the event interviewed, though within 10 years of 1963 most of them were dead!
     
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    I thought it was a top movie start to finish. I think sometimes people read too much into movies.. I mean I heard people say how politically incorrecty Black Hawk Down and Behind Enemy Lines were..crumbs they're only movies..:D
     
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    They may be 'only movies' but is shakespear 'only books'...

    Also the problem is that for many if its on the screen then that is EXACTLY how it must have happened in real life.

    Regards
     
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    when are we going to get a film made which shows the British involvment in WWII. I am starting to get fed up with these films which show how America won the war. Why cant somone make a film about British soldiers and what our country endured. If you want to see a war film with British soldiers you have to get the old b/w ones. Yeah, great films but very none show us the graphic details of war like private ryan etc. Im sure most of the modern day world think that USA was the only country that fights for freedom.
     
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    Hi Alan,
    That documentary RTJ sounds good, I wouldn't mind
    seeing it. It's funny tho' how many 'dockies' we watch
    over a period of years but forget what they're called.

    Only kidding with the Lee Harvey Oswald Question!! :)

    Must Order 'We were Soldiers' this week, Mel's movies
    are not very historically or factually correct but they
    make great entertainment - great yarns - great poses!!
    Mel is great at the facial expressions - those GRINNNNS!!


    loz99
     
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    This will only happen when there is enough investment to go into a large movie...

    Take a look at U571 which was really about an english crew but was made about an american one.

    Also Memphis Belle. This David Putman movie was not only about based on a Brithish Crew but so was the script until he couldnt get UK funding for it and the US backers insisted it be changed to an American crew so that it would be more succesful stateside...

    I think you'll find that only seldomly will historical accuracy take precidence over revenue.

    Regards
     
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    Watched about an hour of this movie today before the Misses came home.:mad: And have to say its one of the worst quality DVD's ive seen in a long time. Grain! More like a snow storm. Wierd how nobody else has mentioned this?
     
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    Just received this movie and sat and watched it immediately.

    I thought it was FANTASTIC. Its incredibly well filmed, well acted and highly emotional. I was also very pleased that it was not a political or pro US movie. It is a movie about soldiers, their bond with each other and their families.

    I cant see how Jonathon Ross could describe this as "a Pro War Movie that portrays the US Involvement in 'The Nam' as being somehow righteous & good."

    I would not consider it to be a pro or anti war movie. Its a movie about enduring the hardship of battle, the commitment to ones comrades and the dedication of those in the military who serve on the front line.

    My Advice

    Go buy this movie now.

    Regards
     
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    Thanks Desdicado,
    I'm looking forward to 2 movies:-
    We were Soldiers & Windtalkers.
    Had my suspicions about WWS but thanks to your assessment
    I can now go ahead and order it!!

    If you want to watch three of the very best anti war movies
    of all time you must see:-

    Paths of Glory - Kirk Douglas - Directed by Stanley Kubrick
    All Quiet on the Western Front (The Old version)
    Gallipolli - Mel Gibson & Mark Lee

    loz99
     
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    Desticado, you're right. At school (finished '92) they didn't discuss recent history such as 20th century wars; consequently I was about 14/15 years old (embarrassed to admit it) before I actually found out that America didn't win the Vietnam War! I had seen all these films where the Americans always came out on top, and although they were obviously fiction, I just assumed they must have won in reality as well.
     
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    We Were Soldiers - or We Were BBQ Nuts, NAPALM! - was alright. Of course there was Mel trying to be the deepthroat (na, too easy) US Colonel who's both conscientious (syrup ahoy) and yet a killer in heart. And the, in the main, inexperienced men that will follow him to Hell and back. But this film tries to be a bit more even handed by showing the enemy perspective, though thinly veiled, with the thoughtful leader and his Mel-like character.
    I found some of the victims to be, almost, a political shopping list of correctness with the Jap'/black etc. yank, from that big ol mess of a cooking pot that is the US of A, biting the enemy bullet or fire of a friendly nature - "...but never mind son, most were on target...er, cut that from the recruitment video Sarg'"!! Moreover, the enemy were staged a bit like Black Hawk Down as an almost unending tide of target practise on a live range.
    Still, it was well done and enjoyable. The battle scene is engaging and manic enough to demonstrate the fragility of life and just how cheap/ethereal it can become. Also how this particular battle was America's entrance into something that was rather more real than it ever imagined, in magnitude, for those away fighting and those left waiting. To the latter, the wives and relatives awaiting the fateful Yellow Cab call.
    However what it failed to point to, but hinted at early on with the enemy commander, was how this battle was elemental in the enemy's decisions over how to fight the Americans. In that more conventional forms were dropped and from then on the Americans were pretty much playing follow the assault instead of instigatating set piece warfare. I felt that point should've been made clear if the story wanted to be truer in telling what went forth - though a whole new film there, eek.
    All in all though a decent battle piece, which is probabley the best and worst indictment for viewing it, as it is a bit of an island.
     

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