We must not forget

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  1. =adrian=

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    People often dismiss it as "history", something that happened "long time ago". In fact it was only 70 years ago... less than a duration of a human life. And yet it is something that people want to rather forget, but we must remember to prevent it from happening again.

    "Factories of death" where a population of a small town could be exterminated every day and each day (12,000 people gassed every day). In one of them, estimated of 1.1 million of people where murdered and burned.

    Not only Jews, but all nationalities.

    We must not forget.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

    The Documentary - Auschwitz The Forgotten...
     
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    I'm afraid the lessons of War have still not been learned by the human race in general and I don't think they ever will. Sad but true
     
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    The difference between WWII & now is extremely significant.

    Back then the world had an idea something was going on. In Rwanda - everyone alive today watched in on TV - and did nothing! Why? Well the common thought is they were 'Africans', not Blacks but Africans. And Africans don't matter.

    This was worse than WWII & the BRITISH supplied the machetes.
     
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    Strange and an emotive post BB3Lions.

    When you say the world watched it on TV and did nothing - where did you get that information from? Also, does the world include the rest of Africa - Uganda, Kenya, Congo, Egypt etc? Did they do nothing as well?

    So the British supplied the common or garden variety machetes (in East and Southern Africa they are called a Panga and every household had at least one) - did they supply the machetes to help with the genocide and purely to kill people? Also, wooden clubs were used to kill - did the British supply those as well?
     
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    A couple of friends of mine were with the UN in Rwanda, there words there thoughts there opinions mate. No media hype.

    The machetes were supplied by circumnavigating the arms emargo on length of blade. Not your common garden Panga but 1m length machetes they labelled as Panga.
     
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    If I was running this site I'd be more concerned that an AV Forums member thought the OP's post was funny.
     
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    It's different. We were involved in a global conflict in WW2. Our involvement in the second world war had nothing to do with genocide. The Rwanda genocide was not something that the West was involved in. We stopped the WW2 genocide because we won the war.
     
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    A panga had many many uses, all to do with shamba (farming or gardening) work. Some pangas were long (about 1.2m) and fairly thick and heavy for chopping wood etc, other pangas were for slicing long grass, turning over the soil etc and were lighter, thinner and shorter (about 0.6m).

    From what I remember they were made in South Africa and shipped all over Africa. No arms embargo to do with blade length as far as I know. But my knowledge is in East and South Africa where I working for quite a few years. Never been to any central African countries.
     
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    RWANDA’S WAR

    No tragedy better illustrates the need for controls than Rwanda, where the U.S. contribution to the present relief effort is expected to reach $500 million, or about two dollars for every U.S. citizen. Rwanda’s genocide, which began in April 1994, was preceded by a war launched in October 1990 by Tutsi guerrillas of the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) against the Hutu-led government. Rwanda was already one of the poorest nations in Africa. Although both the government and guerrillas had limited resources with which to buy arms, and their combined 45,000 combatants never comprised a very large market, arms suppliers rushed to both sides like vultures to a carcass.

    The war’s origins go back, in part, to a wave of violence from 1959 to 1966, when the Hutu overthrew the Tutsi monarchy, which had ruled for centuries. Between 20,000 and 100,000 Tutsi were killed in a slaughter that the British philosopher Bertrand Russell then described as "the most horrible and systematic massacre we have had occasion to witness since the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis." The violence drove about 150,000 Tutsi exiles, known as Banyarwanda, to Uganda, Burundi, Tanzania, and Zaire.


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    http://m.hrw.org/reports/1999/rwanda/Geno15-8-02.htm

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...enocide-rwanda-high-cost-small-arms-transfers

    It's ok to sit there chuntring on sat at home. But when you work, served, live, support those who were in Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq 1 and have first hand knowledge and experience in genocide & unable to do a thing about it - then I feel you can comment & in most cases to 'deal with it' - make light of it. Unless you are or have been I don't think you have earned the right as a civilian armchair warrior.
     
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    I'd hope they hit the wrong button by mistake.
     
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    Easy there tiger. This is a forum and members can post up without the need for qualification.

    However, if it's me you're referring to then rest assured I meet your criteria.
     
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    I will contact Solar and ask why it was "funny". I also think the tragedy in Rwanda is not what this thread was intended to be about. We should not forget that either, but diverting the thread onto another subject does not sit easily either.
     
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    Solar refuses to discuss it with me and has asked it to be referred to admin or another mod. Obviously I will now let someone else deal with it.
     
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    most likely fat fingers/small screen and not noticing

    EDIT ... just noticed Dave's post above
     
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    I wouldn't say Rwanda was a tragedy, it's actually statistically (by time) worse than WWII. However the thread should not have been diverted, it wasn't my intention too, more being drawn into it due to the raw emotions of people I'm currently supporting in my personal life.

    Apologies.
     
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    No apologies needed. But thanks. All slaughter of innocents should be remembered.
     
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    I was going to say it was pressed as a mistake as I'm always doing it, at least I hope it was.
     
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    As I expected him to say when politely asked. He didn't. Can we move on?
     
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    Yep let's move onto something not taught in British schools..The Irish "Famine".
    A so-called famine, really a form of genocide. You may want to put your fingers in your ears chaps.

    britain'scoverup - www
     
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    My youngest daughter has just gone over Auschwitz at school, it has definitely left a mark on her. She has asked me about it, but I am no expert, and refer her to the school books to understand it.
    But I am not sure if any one can really understand it, harrowing time in our history :(
     
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    Atrocities are carried out daily in all parts of the world and we shy away from it because well to be frank - it does not affect us directly and they are Africans, Asians, they are not white & Western.

    To take nothing away from the genocide of WWII if those in France, Belgium, UK, Germany, Poland, - basically every country in the West had not helped the NAZI's in some way directly or indirectly - the mass extermination of the Jewish population would not have happened. The Governments of the West & a lot of people knew it was happening since 1942 when the underground exposed the plans to the 'final solution' - and they did nothing and in some cases (France) actually helped the NAZI's to protect there own people.

    Every nation in the West has Jewish blood on it's hands.
     
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    I think the point Lions was making is that the Jews got their own country out of the holocaust and never stop banging on about it, but in Rwanda, for the most part, the Western World allow 1 million people to be murdered in 100 days despite knowledge of what was going on. The US, UK, and Belgium all pulled out with the US being a bit squirrelly after how Somalia went down. Only New Zealand pushed for more troops to protect refugees.
     
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    That member has been suspended for a week.
     
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    Really, a week's ban for that?
     
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    From what I've read so far, the thread title should be changed from 'We must not forget' to 'Who do we blame'.
     
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    I visited Yad Vashem (Hand of God) in Israel many years ago, it was harrowing. They have a building dedicated to the 1m+ children murdered, where its completey filled with mirrors with flickering flames reflecting off and each and every name and age of the child that they have is continuously read out.....
     
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    I visited Hiroshima's museum and memorial garden. A small Japanese boy from a school party ran up to me and kicked me in the shin.

    Nothing like getting mistaken for an American tourist to make you lose some weight and re-evaluate your wardrobe choices.
     
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    ^^^ Hawaiian shirt and fanny pack?
     
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