was keano right?

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  1. sithlordx

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    was keano right?damn right he was just give him the job now, time for fergie and his pathetic assistant to go off into the winter sunset how fergie can praise fletcher,oshea,begars belief,if fletcher was irish,welsh,english he would be where he belongs in the reserves,the guy is a joke,o,shea had one good season since then he is like a donkey,concerning smith the guy is a striker not a midfielder,richardson the poor guy is being played as a defender the guy is a winger come midfielder so i think keano was a bit hard on these two,but the outhers he was damn right.fergie built the empire and in my opinion he his making sure he destroys it before he goes,that would explain the pathetic siqning he has made and lost millions on,forlan,kleberson,bellion,djemba,veron,certain goalkeepers..
     
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    Absolutely. No I'm not being biased:

    Giggs Keane Scholes Beckham
    VS
    Giggs Fletcher Smith Ronaldo

    Look at that awseome central midfield! :rolleyes:
    And sometimes its 4-5-1, 4-3-3 so no width
     
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    Alex has lost it, the team have lost it, and they need some 'Roy Keane' if they're ever gonna get it back again.....
     
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    Ferguson may go the way of his famous predecessor if he's not careful. Busby built two (three?) great teams and should have retired while the last one was still winning, and allowed a younger man to rebuild rather than hang on to ageing players thru nostalgia. Sir Matt was accused of hanging on too long and Fergies doing that right now.
     
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    I'm still dying to know exactly what he said. It must be pretty good stuff to get them to pull the show! You have to wonder whether Fergie's put him up to this to give the rest of the squad a rocket in public! Either that or he wants out in January!
     
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    I have to agree with Roy on this, but am not sure why he didn't mention Rio Ferdinand as well - he's as bad as the others.
     
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    I agree. He should have retired a couple of years ago when he said he would. Retain his legacy and all that!
     
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    going from what I read in the Mirror this morning, apparently it was Rio that he really laid into....

    "just because you earn £120,000 per week and play well for 20 mins against spurs does not mean you are a superstar"
    (or thereabouts) he is alleged to have said on the MUTV show..


    Vote Roy Keane for FIFA president! :clap:
     
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    In that case, he got it totally right then :D
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks Keane is the one who should have gone? I suspect he is the personality behind one or two of the high profile players who have chosen to play elsewhere. I have seriously questioned his judgement in the past and nothing has changed to make me think differently. Keane is in a MUFC comfort zone and perhaps he needs to go elswhere where he is not top dog to regain perspective. It worked for Beckham, his club form is as good as it has ever been. Remember, possibly the most important thing in a championship winning side is team spirit. How can Keanes contribution help that?

    Oh, and to answer the question about criticism of people like Rio? Rio would kick his ass.
     
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    I think Keane knows he's on his way, that's why he doen't feel the need to 'stick together' with players who aren't worthy of the jersey they wear..
    It's taken 15 long years, but we've finally got a ManU player who dares to speak his mind..:devil:

    Team spirit is a big must obviously, but everyone back-slapping and never criticising each other is a luxury you can only afford if you are any good as a team..?
    ManU are now apparently a mid-table club, who buy £18m strikers, and pay £120,000 wages to decidedly average centre-halves.... :rolleyes:
    Somebody needs to light the blue touchpaper, and fast.... or the cagey individuals who now own the club will maybe decide it was a bad idea after all, and just pull the plug....

    As for 'Brain's-in-Rio'.... I don't think he could kick my sister's arse now that he's clean...she'd be much too fast for him. :D
     
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    You're not suggesting he was 'on' something surely :rotfl: :rotfl:
     
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    Keane go? Who's left? Smith, Fletcher, Miller, Ronaldo and Richardson

    Smith - a striker who doesn't know how to play in central mid. Proper midfielders know what positions to take up

    Fletcher - obviously related to Fergie to keep gettin' picked

    Miller - poor lad isn't given a chance. Not sure what difference he'd make, but can't hurt

    Ronaldo - dancin shoes don't mean goals

    Richardson - I think West Brom is more his level, I mean that kindly

    Replace Keane?! - haven't even replaced Beckham yet! - Fergie's ego cost Utd 20 assists a season. What right minded player would go to Utd now anyway?
     
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    Keane should've shut up years ago, the bloke is over the hill & has spent most of the last few years moaning.
    Basically, he could call all the fans a bunch of ******* and they'd still love him!
    He knows he's "Mr Manchester UTD" so he probably thinks that gives him the right to winge like an old woman. I'm tired of the fella & have been for a few years.
    Hopefully, he'll do us all a favour and disappear up to Scotland and play in the most pointless league in world football.


    Adz
     
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    nevermind Beckham, they still haven't replaced cantona!
     
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    And still 10 times the player that Fletcher and Smith are...so what does that make them?!
     
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    No he is not. A major factor in being that great player is being there week in week out. Chelsea have had that in Lampard. Great consistency, great leadership and the physical toughness to be there every week.
     
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    :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    Excuse me, but even "terminator" Fletcher and Smith could easily break a bone. Lampard is a man machine anyway. Never injured or rested....

    By that argument, Henry who missed a couple of weeks due to his hamstring isn't half the player that Sunderland's Andy Gray, who's made 3 more Prem appearances than Henry!
    Keane's done that for 10 years. Give him a break for breaking a bone!

    Since when have Smith or Fletcher played with any of those qualities in a Man Utd shirt?!

    Keane is one in a lifetime. None of the midfielder's on Wednesday are fit to tie his boots!

    I know who I would prefer to have in my team on Sunday against Chelski rather than sitting in the stands or giving TV interviews
     
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    Immarial mate, Keane is hardly the player he was a few years back.
    The bloke is a serial whinger - has been for a few years.

    They say that no-one is bigger than the club, but this fella thinks he is, and has done for a while.

    For the record - I don't rate Smith either, never have done.
    It's players like him that make me think i could've been a pro footballer (before lager interrupted)


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    If I were a United fan I would be worried about a lot of the signings Sir Alex has made over the last few years (Rooney excepted) - he wasted the money they got for Beckham in my view.
     
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    I still remember his antics vis a vis Ireland.
    They needed him, but nothing was good enough for Mr. Ego, so 'F' the lot of you was his attitude.
    He couldn't even be a 'team player' for his own country.
     
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    hmm... lots of character assasination so far, but interesting that nobody having a go at Keane has actually come out and said he got it wrong..... wonder why that is? ;)

    :D
     
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    When you turn up for training , the least you would expect would be footballs.

    His Biog is a good read , goes into the Ireland thing quite quite well .
    He has the balls to say what everyone else is thinking , and he gets slaughtered for it.
    Good for Keano I say

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    He was wrong.

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    I believe Keane was wrong.

    Not necessarily in what he said (I haven't watched Man U matches in a long time so can't comment on the players' performance) but in the fact that he said it.
    You'd have to be a hell of a big headed player to actually come out on TV and say such things about team mates. He may be a good player but I don't believe it right to critisize "colleagues" in public that way. He's not safe from off form periods himself and in the case of Smith, he's not a midfielder so obviously it would take time for him to adapt.

    I just think Keane was out of place.
     
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    Believe me if you saw the 2 performances you'd know why he said it

    Amateur when Middleborough beat them 4-1

    Toothless and lacking invention against Lille, losing 1-0. Just 2 shots on target - a scuffed Park shot and another "shot" that came off Ronaldo's shoulder

    Chelski can be argued to be of a higher calibre opponent for Utd, so it looks grim

    Maybe he should have kept it in-house. But many of his comments are shared by many, if not publicly. At the least it shows he cares. At the most it demonstrates the fall from grace that Utd have been going thru for the past 18 months

    We'll know tomorrow whether Keane's right once and for all
     
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    It's all about cycles - Liverpool ruled the 80's - Man U the 90's now it's someone elses turn.


    Utter rubbish - same old line that gets banded around when something like this happens.

    Unfortunately, if Man U were to beat Chelsea (unlikely) then Mr Motor mouth will get more praise :rolleyes:

    Keane is part of the dead wood that perhaps Man U need to stick on the fire

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    So what? Others like yourself propose that Keane is just giving his penny's worth while he's still around? That is rubbish. Keane is Utd thru and thru

    As for dead wood, in Keane's defence he is 34, so obviously can't relive past glories. But fact is there are players at Utd that aren't half the player Keane currently is and have 10 years head start

    No. Sorry. Thats opinion. Ask yourself this: all the criticised players that fans defend; how many would even make the squad at other CL clubs?

    IMO, in this modern age, if you've not "made it" by 22, you're not cut out for the top. By made it, I mean obviously talented, Rooney, Terry or Messi
     
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    Were probably looking at the worst performing Utd team since 1984.... If Roy Keane is the only person at Utd that can see that, then goes to show why they're disappearing out of view so fast..
     
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    Looking back through the Keane years, the fella has always made outbursts.

    Vierra, Alf Inge wotsit, Ireland situation, ***** UTD players.
    I bet there's more too - UTD fans could probably tell more instances.
    The fella has that as part of his makeup - however, that doesn't make it right.
    I laughed my backside off when he tried to nobble Alf Inge Wotsit & got crocked himself, (Alfe wotsit paid for it in the end with one of the ugliest challenges in the history of English football)
    Then he made another 'outburst' - or more 'caring' thoughts in his book about 'meaning to do him' - cheers Roy, thanks for clearing that up :D
    It was alwasy going to be hard to live up to the UTD teams of the past 10 years, they had some exceptional youngsters that came through (Neville brothers excluded, one of the enigmas of the English game them 2 :mad: )

    My team West Ham had probably an equal bunch of talented youngsters that came through:
    Cole, DeFoe, Ferdinand, Carrick, Lampard etc, etc
    It was inevitable that UTD's grasp on the throne would eventually slip.

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