Was considering LCD but now Plasma....

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  1. Rizvan

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    So folks, which is better?

    I was considering a SONY 40! W-Series LCD HD screen which can do 1080p 1920x1080 pixels. 8000:1 contrast and the bravia system, built in DvB.

    But have been informed to consider a Panasonic plasma screen as it is far supirior picture wise, contract, blackness etc.

    My buget is between £900-1500, what would you people recommend?

    The new PX600 series seems expensive compared to the PX60 models, is there a big difference in picture quality?

    The 50" PX60 model is just over £1500 which is tempting but the Plasma screens only do 720p, 1024x768 resolutions, I know resolutions dont matter for picture quality but surely playing a HD 1080p source I wont get the true picture?

    So whats your advice people?

    Cheers

    Riz:rolleyes:
     
  2. choddo2006

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    px600 and px60 are the same picture wise, just more features on the 600 (and possibly some improved processing but noone knows for sure)

    Whether you'll notice 1080p vs 768p depends very much on how far away you're sitting. What sources are you planning to use?
     
  3. Rizvan

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    I will be seated about 4 - 5m away from the scree, it will be wall mounted and I plan to use it for SkyHD, DVD HD, Blu-Ray, Laptop and a games console supporting HD. So pretty much everything eventually.

    I hear horror stories about the dredded "snake" problems..... not sure which model to go for and what size.

    So is the picture far superior compared to a LCD screen? namely the W-Series SONY?

    Anybody?

    Riz:rolleyes:
     
  4. chaparral

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    The 50" is 1366x768 (42" is 1024x768)

    Surely you want a 50" for this distance...
     
  5. Rizvan

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    Yes your right, but I think you need 1920x1080 to view 1080p material.... and it seems only the top end 65" plasma does this :eek:

    So looks like its a trade-off... better picture (plasma) means lesser resolutions (720p) and to have higher resolutions (1080p LCD) it seems you lose the picture clarity etc compared to Plasma technology?

    Am I right?

    Any yes im deffo leaning towards the 50" Panasonic PX60 model......

    Riz:rolleyes:
     
  6. choddo2006

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    You don't need 1920x1080, especially at that distance
     
  7. Rizvan

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    Going to have a look at the sets im looking at, its between these two.

    40" SONY KDL-40W2000

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    50" Panasonic TH-50PX60

    Both are prices around £1500

    Riz:smashin:
     
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    Get them too feed a 1080p source to the sony and 720p to the panny and then check the picture from your viewing distance and see if you can tell the difference.
     
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    go and view a pioneer 427 xd as well
     
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    Go for the Panasonic. At that distance you don't need more pixels, you need more size. (A 50" Full HD can only be perceived at less than 2 meters, it's just how human eye works.)

    I have a 50PX600 and picture is great.
     
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    Both pioneer & panny do a 50" true 1080p plasma ...There not cheap (about £4300 for the panny and about £4900 for the pioneer)
     
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    Yep, that's right!

    Just put the Sony KDL-46W2000 on a test side-by-side against the Panasonic TH-50PX600 and compare them with a DVD or Blu-ray of "Pirates of the Carribean - The Curse of the Black Pearl" or "Star Wars".

    Wanna bet that you would choose for the plasma? :D

    Seriously, no LCD today can beat a Panasonic 9G or Pioneer 7G for movies.
    You only need FULL HD unless you buy a 65" or gonna sit with your nose to your screen, like you do at your PC :)

    Just my 2 cents of course ;)

    Cheers,
    Fico99
     
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    You are right mate. The BRAVIA suffer from backlight bleeding crushing the blacks by complementing with bright whites and artificial colors just pumping up the contrast (white levels). The backlight bleeding is worse than the Purple Snakes as snake is an additional element crawling on the screen not crushing the details.

    Technically PX60 pops more colors than the PX600 when kept at the same level. Believe it or not this is true.
     
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    I went through exactly the same scenario, from reading reviews I had 90% made my mind up I wanted the LCD. Wanted a Sony 46W2000 initially. Went to numerous shops and all (except Sony centre) recommended the Pioneer (if they stocked it). Final shop there was a Sony46X2000 (running blu-ray) and a Pioneer PDP507XD (running BBC HD) next to each other. I bought the Pioneer
     
  15. Rizvan

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    Just a update.... what about the Panasonic TH-42PH9 42" Plasma display... been told its probe the best picture im going to get?

    Any suggestions?

    Riz:eek:
     
  16. choddo2006

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    Yes but I watch a 42" at slightly less than 4m and you really want a 50. Plus the PH9 costs quite a bit more than a 50PX60
     
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    i have a lcd vs plasma question of my own if thats alright ive just been reading a few issues of the official xbox 360 magazine and screenshots of all the games look fantastic so which HDTV display produces the same kind of picture as in the magazines lcd or plasma?
     
  18. Rizvan

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    The PH9 costs about £200 cheaper than the 50" PX60 screen.... but which will produce the better picture? And ive measured properly what the max distance is when im sitting down to the screen. It is no more than 10ft.

    Riz:D
     
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    ok so what is the optimal size screen (have an eye on the Panny PX60 before they disappear) if seated anywhere between 8 and 10 ft away ? Is 1080p essential (future proofing I guess but will you notice the difference at the distance) sources will be usual ones also HD-DVD via the 360 drive and at some point bluray via PS3 and probably Sky HD...
     
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    Im a very lucky person. I have the 42px60 and hooked up to it i have The Ps3, Sky hd and xbox360 with hd-dvd drive.

    I sit around 5-6 foot away.

    A friend of mine recently had the 40X2000 i've hooked up both the Ps3 via hdmi and 360's hd-dvd via Vga.

    And have tested MI:3 on blu ray and Serenity on hd. Both playing at 1080p.

    Sitting around the same distance i did not notice any difference in picture quality what so ever. Between 1080p and 720p.

    My px60 is also calabrated and the colors look better on the px60 than the X-series. ( But thats in my own humble view)
     
  21. Naim.F.C

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    I got to play around with my uncles Pioneer 427XD today.
    Made a post comparing it to my Sharp 37XD1E LCD.

    Unusually the Sharp has better blacks! Then again, the XD1E does have the best blacks I have ever seen in a flat panel. The LCD also has much better whites then the Plasma. But in terms of natural colour and colour realism, the Plasma does it much better. Though the LCD has slightly sharper more defined images, the plasmas look a bit more realistic. I must say, I am very drawn to the Plasma, mainly because it handled motion so perfectly. But the fear of retention just puts me off Plasma's loads.

    I game....and when I say I game I mean I game HARD.
    I have played Final Fantasy XII 6-8 hours in a row on my LCD once!
    It would terrify me to do the same on a plasma, in fear of image retention or screen burn. If only Plasma's didn't suffer from these problems, I would have picked a plasma instead. But as long as these problems exist, as a die hard gamer I just don't have the courage to go Plasma :(
    Though I do love the image quality they offer.
     
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    You are the right. I think I have already told you that the Sharp XD series delivers the best black level performance but suffers from severe red push, overcooked / artificial colors and banding issues.
     
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    Actually, the 37" and 42" models do not suffer from banding.
    And the 37" model has very little red push due to it's extra wave of backlight.

    My Sharp LCD doesn't suffer from red push. It did to begin with, but changing colour-temp and dropping the colour settings a few notches evened things out and produced more natural colours.

    But even then I agree, the colours were not as accurate or natural as the Pioneer plasma, though the blacks and whites on the LCD were better. I wouldn't however say the Sharp had 'artificial' colours. It does if you use the default Dynamic setting, but not if you use standard or user tweaked modes.
     
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    I've played Oblivion: The elder scrolls for hours on end and i've never once worryed about screen burn in. I've look very closely at the screen after and cant see any sign of the health bar or compass signs burned into the bottom left of the screen.

    Watching football matches or anything that keeps a certain score of a match in the top left. My plasma has never let me down with things like this. It always give me 110% all the time.
     
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    What screen do you own?
    The one I'm interested in is the Pioneer 427XD.
     
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    The Panasonic th42px60.
     
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    Wait a min, if the 42" px60 is 1024x768 then how when you connect it to a pc does the image not appear stretched as the plasma has a 16:9 ratio?
     
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    I cant answer that mate i've only ever hooked up the 360 via Vga once and that gives you the option to set the output to 1024x768.
     

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