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VSX-1011S or VXS_1011K whats the diff ?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Montana, May 26, 2003.

  1. Montana

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    I have looked at the Pioneer webby and other than it being built very slightly different , whats the difference ?
    For the specs etc, the looks of the the 1011 is a lot better value , as you get all the features accept the THX ceretification and auto calibration.If anyone( and please do reply if you can help me decide) can help me here, please reply as soon as you can, as I am in a dilema !

    Andy.
     
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    The letter on the end usually denotes colour i.e VSX - D1011S is the silver model. Just down to you which colour you want. :)
     
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    S denotes silver finish
    K denotes kappa (i think that's the one) which is black (this comes, I think, from the CYMK printing termininology, where C = cyan, Y = yellow, M = magenta and K = kappa (black))
     
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    In CMYK ... isn't K for "Key"? Basically to distinguish it from B as in Blue in RGB. Not that this has anything to do with the original question ... which is 2011S is silver and 2011K is black.
     
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    The other differnece between the 1011 and the 2011 is component video circuity and tuning by air studios.

    Sparky
     
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    Could be key... kappa just seems to ring a bell for some reason
     
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    A colour model that describes each colour in terms of the quantity of each secondary colour (cyan, magenta, yellow), and "key" (black) it contains. The CMYK system is used for printing. For mixing of pigments, it is better to use the secondary colours, since they mix subtractively instead of additively. The secondary colours of light are cyan, magenta and yellow, which correspond to the primary colours of pigment (blue, red and yellow). In addition, although black could be obtained by mixing these three in equal proportions, in four-colour printing it always has its own ink. This gives the CMYK model. The K stands for "Key' or 'blacK,' so as not to cause confusion with the B in RGB.
     
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    indeed K denoted 'Key', which is Black..
    why manufacturers are using K instead of B I have no idea.. since there is no Blue coloured receiver :laugh:
     
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    Just a thought ... but I wonder if using K for black has nothing to do with K as in CMYK ... but is the initial letter of the work black in Japanese (when written in Latin / Roman alphabet). I've no idea just a thought ...
     
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    Sorry guys and girls I should have been a bit clearer , I was wondering if it would be a smart buy to go for the 1011, because there is hardly any difference between that and the 2011 ?
    Plus there has been threads saying that the 2011 has a problem, but I haven't seen any for the 1011.
    I would be most interested in ANY answers you have at ALL on these questions.
    Cheers , Andy.
     
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    The 2011 and 1011 share the same amplifier components and AFAIK the ONLY problem that ever existed was with this receiver was shut-down problems with 4 Ohm speakers.

    This was rectified some monthes ago and as far as I can gather was due to some over active protection circuitry related to the THX specification. The problem was fairly uncommon in the first place but was made a big deal of anyway.

    This seems to be one of the least troubled receivers on the market and I am very happy with mine.

    The differences between the 2011 and 1011 are well documented particularly over at avsforum . I don't have the time to list them for you so go and look them up.
     
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    I'm sorry Daneel, I have looked at the avsforums webby, and searched for the 2 receivers, and found very little.If you could do me a big favour(for the thick ones here(that's me)) and let me know the threads, I would be most grateful.

    Thanks ,
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    The main differences ... that I'm aware of ... is the 2011 has fully automatic MCACC (Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration System) where as the 1011 only has manual MCACC; the 1011 is avaliable in black and silver, where as the 2011 is only in silver in the UK; the 2011 has had its audio circuitry tweeked by AIR Studios (a UK specialist); 2011 has 2-way component switching, none on 1011; and 2011 has a USB port to connect to a PC (for 2-ch audio only)

    I've probably missed some stuff but they seam to be main differences. Now whether they affect you at all depends on your other kit.

    Component switching is useful if you have a plasma or a TV and 2 component sources (DVD and X-Box or Sky with RGB-Component adaptor); the audo MCACC setup many people say is very good ... probably worth the extra without any other differences; the AIR Studios tuning should make the 2011 slightly better for stereo; and the USB terminal could be of use if you want to play MP3s.

    Hope this helps
    Vikki

    PS ... reason you probably can't find much on AVS Forums is that they are called something different in the USA ... 45TX or somthing for the 2011 I think ... but not positive.
     
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    Sounddog is right, I should have mentioned on US forums the 2011 is the 45tx and the 1011 is the 43tx. The AX10 is the 49tx and there is also the 47tx which AFAIK doesn't exist here.

    If you compare the two models on Pioneers website most of the differences are clear. Everything sounddog mentioned is right but the 2011 also has a better remote, an additional optical input on the front, a trans stabiliser (don't ask me what that is), a phono input and a dual layer chassis.

    I use the USB connection all the time for connecting my HTPC to my hifi main sound system, very easy and useful.
     

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