Volkswagen Scirocco or Honda type R?

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My Honda type R GT 2010 is beyond repair with insurance just going to pay me the money they feel it’s worth. I have hardly seen any Type R 2010 plates near me. Prices are £5,500 for 08 and 07 plates around 60-80k miles although I did see a 10 plate for 6k with 84k miles on the clock the older ones seemed better value.
I had fun driving my type r, I had to buy a new ecu that was £770 and the clutch pedal would make annoying noise at times with the Honda saying it needed lubricant and would cost me £300 sod that

I have always liked VW scirocco and I like the heated seats, built in screeen for sat nav etc, the dual controls for air con etc and they look nice and around the same power only negative would be lack of boot space when shopping and back window is small making it hard to see at the back. I don’t know much about cars but as I say my Honda served me well until a bmw smashed into it with nobody inside my car while it was parked and the engines are known for being bulletproof and I liked ability to drive at high revs but thought would ask you guys should I go for type r which are around 2k cheaper and use the money I save to pay off my card or buy a scirocco? I normally keep the cars until run into the ground in the past as they have never held value until I had the type r which in 5 years I lost £2400 in value which isn’t bad
 
The Scirocco is a Golf with a different body shape as far as I am aware so have you considered a Golf GTI or similar instead? This would give you a biiger boot and better rear visiability. Or you could look for other options in the VAG group like a Seat Leon of Skoda VRS. This may give you more options and a good example within your budget range.
 
I did think seat leon I just like the look of the scirocco. I don’t need big boot as I don’t have kids only drive around my gf kids at times who are 18. I think the scirocco has better features but not sure if the Honda has better engine and if the scirocco is worth 2k more than the type r
I’m not a boy racer only time I use the power is at roundabouts otherwise I would be there all day thinking can I go yet like I am now in my courtesy car which is a Fiat tippo and when over taking lorries and tractors etc on a straight clear road.

I would imagine the scirocco would be more comfortable ride than the type r and it’s cheaper on road tax not sure what it’s like to run and for parts while insurance I imagine would be around the same. I’m 43 so it shouldn’t be too bad
 
How tall are you? The Scirocco is a nice car but very cramped inside compared to similar cars.
 
Different beasts. Type R is naturally aspirated, as you’re aware; scirocco is a turbo so will be ‘easier’ to drive.

As above, Scirocco is a bit cramped compared to a normal hatch.

You could look at an Audi A3 with same engine as Scirocco, in addition to the others mentioned above.
 
Thank you guys. I'm only about 5ft 10 I had the type r for 5 years only problem I had was the ecu went other than that I changed tyres and brake pads oh and 1 shock absorber and that's it so I know they are good cars not so good when going over speed bumps or pot holes unless doing around 10 mph.

Scirocco has heated leather seats seems more comfortable while driving not sure its as fun to drive although I like the extra added features but cars you are buying them for the engine rather than extra features inside a car. I was just worried about seeing back window as its very tiny.

9 year old scirocco 80k miles £7500 against a type r that's couple of years older but done around 10k miles less without extra features was just checking with you guys if it was worth the extra money and after having a digital speedometer I couldn't go back to dials now as I find it hard to read the speedo on dials lol
 
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The Scirocco is a comfortable car. It has adaptive chassis control that will firm up the suspension in sport mode and you can feel the difference. Easy car to drive with very predictable steering and good turn in although not as good as the current Golf model.

When you're in there there is more than enough space in the front and easy to get a good driving position, back space is limited but my two grandsons loved it in there (yes, it is an old man's car). The boot is small but in reality not that much smaller than a Golfs.

I really enjoyed driving my Scirocco (170 bhp Tdi, DSG), pictured above and I still think it's a lovely looking car in spite of it's big arse. Will be a completely different drive from the Type R, I once owned a VTi, the R's forerunner, absolutely loved it. I prefer the drive my current Golf GTD gives m

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Might be a bit small, if you need to fit anyone in the back - but I bought one of these for my lad.
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^^^ Honda CRZ-GT - not the same performance as a Type-R, but plenty quick enough for most folks. Being a 'hybrid', road tax is just £20 a year, and they're cheap enough to insure. Usual Honda reliability.

The GT is the one to go for, as it has heated leather seats up front, and a panoramic glass roof. Some also have Nav kit; all have BT telephony, and can play media from a USB stick, or phone.

They were updated in late 2013, with Li-Ion batteries, and a little bit extra performance - they can be identified by an 'S+' button to the lower right of the steering wheel.

There's an active following of these quirky cars, and they can be tweaked, with turbo and supercharger packages available, (though they're not cheap).

It's very much a 2+2, which is the exact reason I got my lad it, he can't give all his mates a lift at once, and so no peer pressure to do stupid things (he's only just passed his test a month ago). He just did a run up to Edinburgh and back in it to pick up some Winter wheels (they fit in the back easily enough), and it didn't miss a beat.

About £5K for a 2010 GT with 60,000 miles is about the ball-park.

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Thank you guys I appreciate your help. As I say I'm not a boy racer never had any points so I won't be happy if my first points will be with a fiat tippo becuase I can't read the speedometer as easy as digital one on my type r
Both cars look nice I have always wanted a scirocco although I enjoyed my type r driving that for 5 years
but suspension was hard over speed bumps etc.

I wouldn't tweak car performance I'm not that into cars just want one that's reliable really, fun to drive and has acceleration and just wanted to ask you guys for your views as you know more than me about cars. I will look into that honda as Honda have good engines but my clutch did make annoying noise when pressed even if car was off which apparently is common with Honda while VW hold their price better. I appreciate your help guys thank you
 
Might be a bit small, if you need to fit anyone in the back - but I bought one of these for my lad.
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^^^ Honda CRZ-GT - not the same performance as a Type-R, but plenty quick enough for most folks. Being a 'hybrid', road tax is just £20 a year, and they're cheap enough to insure. Usual Honda reliability.

The GT is the one to go for, as it has heated leather seats up front, and a panoramic glass roof. Some also have Nav kit; all have BT telephony, and can play media from a USB stick, or phone.

They were updated in late 2013, with Li-Ion batteries, and a little bit extra performance - they can be identified by an 'S+' button to the lower right of the steering wheel.

There's an active following of these quirky cars, and they can be tweaked, with turbo and supercharger packages available, (though they're not cheap).

It's very much a 2+2, which is the exact reason I got my lad it, he can't give all his mates a lift at once, and so no peer pressure to do stupid things (he's only just passed his test a month ago). He just did a run up to Edinburgh and back in it to pick up some Winter wheels (they fit in the back easily enough), and it didn't miss a beat.

About £5K for a 2010 GT with 60,000 miles is about the ball-park.

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Some nice cars there in the list and your sons car looks nice I will maybe have to make a bigger shortlist lol. I was only going to look at type r or scirocco 2.0 tdi 210bhp
 
Some nice cars there in the list and your sons car looks nice I will maybe have to make a bigger shortlist lol. I was only going to look at type r or scirocco 2.0 tdi 210bhp

Are you sure about the 210bhp diesel? I don’t think it came with that engine in that tune.

If you’re looking at petrol type R v diesel Scirocco then you’re really comparing apples and oranges.
 
Are you sure about the 210bhp diesel? I don’t think it came with that engine in that tune.

If you’re looking at petrol type R v diesel Scirocco then you’re really comparing apples and oranges.

Sorry my mistake I didn't mean to put diesel I meant petrol and your right there isn't a diesel VW in that tune. I have always had petrol car
 
I have a 2 litre Mark V Golf GTi. I did a lot of comparison in that bracket and went for the GTi because it is smooth and comfortable but has loads of power in all revs - much more than the A3 I drove or the Alpha Guiletta. I sat in the equivalent Civic R but it felt a lot smaller inside and I need to drive my kid and parents about so 5 seats sometimes.
The Scirocco is basically the same car as the Golf - I don't see any advantage other than looks but I would definitely test drive a GTi and a Scirocco with the 2lt turbo - it's a great engine.
 
I was looking to spend around £7500 but looks like I need to spend around 11k if I want heated seats and low mileage. I just wanted most of it off without finance really but I do tend to keep the cars for 5 years to be fair
 
You can look at the other VAG group cars the same size spec - the Seat Leon, Octavia and A3 are all similar.
I've had my mark V for about 5 years - bought for just over £10K. Not much gone wrong with it apart from a new ABS ECU which was pricey. I wouldn't be scared of going a bit older for a tidy VW.
Mine has leather and heated seats, I spent £70 to get cruise retro fitted which was well worth it. It's basically a new stalk with the buttons and tell the car it's there :)
 
Are the scirocco engines reliable then and I shouldn't let mileage put me off? I do like their shape must admit. I could always get a loan and get one for around 11k just wanted to have no loans etc now I am getting older
I did like Honda olbjt people saying to me you had that for 5 years try something new
 
I can only tell you my experience with the 2.0 TFSI in my Golf GTi.
I bought it with 50K and it's about to hit 100K 5 years or so later including a road trip holiday to Pamplona, Brussles and another to Avignon. It ate miles all day and I didn't feel ruined when we arrived after 7-8 hours behind the wheel.

I've had an issue with a misfiring injector which was cured by switching to super when I can and adding redex fuel injector treatment to the tank when it isn't possible. That basically cleaned with injector without taking it apart - apparently a fiddly job.

I had a fuel line leak which was fixed with a new filter and a bit of care from my mechanic.

The only serious problem was the ABS ECU triggered a fault code, that was unfixable by a specialist so had to be replaced and the replacement wouldn't recode so had to go to the main dealer. Best part of a grand. Left a bitter taste as it was shortly after a recall software upgrade for the same unit but all cars have electronics these days so I'm not holding that against it.

I test drove the A3 2.0T which is the same engine - plenty of guts but the suspension and brakes weren't as good - perhaps because it wasn't an S-Line.
I'd definitely consider the Seat Leon FR and the Octavia VRS if you are in that area. Don't know if Seat still do the Cupra - which looked like fun. Not much else on the same VAG platform has the body shape of the sirocco but then I don't want a 2 door hatchback.

If I had the money now I'd switch to the Golf R :devil: but the GTi puts a smile on my face most days :)
 
I can only tell you my experience with the 2.0 TFSI in my Golf GTi.
I bought it with 50K and it's about to hit 100K 5 years or so later including a road trip holiday to Pamplona, Brussles and another to Avignon. It ate miles all day and I didn't feel ruined when we arrived after 7-8 hours behind the wheel.

I've had an issue with a misfiring injector which was cured by switching to super when I can and adding redex fuel injector treatment to the tank when it isn't possible. That basically cleaned with injector without taking it apart - apparently a fiddly job.

I had a fuel line leak which was fixed with a new filter and a bit of care from my mechanic.

The only serious problem was the ABS ECU triggered a fault code, that was unfixable by a specialist so had to be replaced and the replacement wouldn't recode so had to go to the main dealer. Best part of a grand. Left a bitter taste as it was shortly after a recall software upgrade for the same unit but all cars have electronics these days so I'm not holding that against it.

I test drove the A3 2.0T which is the same engine - plenty of guts but the suspension and brakes weren't as good - perhaps because it wasn't an S-Line.
I'd definitely consider the Seat Leon FR and the Octavia VRS if you are in that area. Don't know if Seat still do the Cupra - which looked like fun. Not much else on the same VAG platform has the body shape of the sirocco but then I don't want a 2 door hatchback.

If I had the money now I'd switch to the Golf R :devil: but the GTi puts a smile on my face most days :)

Thank you I appreciate your reply definitely helpful and I think I will spend more than I was going to. I will borrow 5k over 5 years and put my own money towards a car and get something around 10k as I keep my cars for 5 years and I spend around 40 hours or slightly more a month in a car doing 200 miles a week so want something fun and reliable
Golf is another option I just like scirocco however I might end up not liking it once I have tried it as I might find it too cramped and go for a golf or something. I won't know until I try it out. I appreciate your help guys I don't know much about cars
 
I'd have the Civic. I've owned an EP3 the one before the FN2, it was bulletproof, better can than what I've read about the later car which is bloated, rear beam suspension as opposed to independent, and hardly anymore power than the lighter EP3 Type R.

I've always had Japanese cars, but a change of job and company cars, I have ended up with German cars. They are ok, the two that I have so far (E-Class 2017 Estate 220D and 2018 Golf GTD). The Golf is way better than the Merc, which was no fun at all. The Golf is still not as raw as an EP3, the steering is pretty disconnected to me. I had a Mk3 MX5 before that though, you could feel everything with that. I just don't think German cars are worth the premium they command, the branding means nothing to me personally.

From a private buyers point of view I'd get the Honda, I just think it will be more reliable
 
I'd have the Civic. I've owned an EP3 the one before the FN2, it was bulletproof, better can than what I've read about the later car which is bloated, rear beam suspension as opposed to independent, and hardly anymore power than the lighter EP3 Type R.

I've always had Japanese cars, but a change of job and company cars, I have ended up with German cars. They are ok, the two that I have so far (E-Class 2017 Estate 220D and 2018 Golf GTD). The Golf is way better than the Merc, which was no fun at all. The Golf is still not as raw as an EP3, the steering is pretty disconnected to me. I had a Mk3 MX5 before that though, you could feel everything with that. I just don't think German cars are worth the premium they command, the branding means nothing to me personally.

From a private buyers point of view I'd get the Honda, I just think it will be more reliable
You aren't comparing like for like though...Try the E-Class E63 estate instead of the entry level diesel, and then still dare to say it isn't fun ;)
 
The Scorocco (and Golf etc.) should have a screen between the 2 analogue dials (multi functional display or maxidot) which you can set to display the speed as a digital number which would get your issue with analogue dials.
 
I'm guessing no point getting a diesel Scirocco. I was thinking getting honda type r and saving my money this year for a scirocco next year so I don't take loans etc out but diesal scirrico would be a lot slower.

7k doesn't get you a lot these days it seems unless you don't mind cars over 100k miles and around 13 years old
 
What you can get depends on your wants/needs and what you like - do you prefer hatchbacks? Would you consider SUVs or saloons?

I, personally, wouldn’t describe a diesel Scirocco as slow. It’s slower 0-62, but in gear it’ll most likely destroy a Type R. It is inherently different though.
 
The 180/190 diesel sciroco will not be a lot slower than the 2 litre petrol. If looking at the petrol of the age you are looking at do a bit of research around the pretensioners as I think there is a known fault of the design for certain 2 litre petrol engines of that age. There was a modified version made so a lot have been replaced with this that prevents the failure mode (and I believe if the old ones do fail it takes the engine with it) so check this has been done or at least factor in the cost of the work into the purchase price if it has not.
 

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