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VIDEO: Vivitek launch HK2288 4K DLP projector at CES

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Phil Hinton, Jan 7, 2017.


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      Looking at the new Optoma 4k model coming out later in the year that has WCG and HDR 10 and priced at under $3k I don't see the Vivitek costing under $5k price being very attractive.
       
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      Exactly, $5000 for a fake 4k rainbow inducing DLP?
      No thanks :facepalm:
       
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      What’s fake about the 4K performance, you get the full 8 million pixels, it just uses 2 frames (At a faster frame rate than the eye can see) to do it. (It’s the modern-day equivalent of interlaced TV, but with none of the downsides)

      As to rainbow effect, it has pretty much been eliminated in all but the cheapest DLP projectors, so I would imagine there will be very few uses that will notice the effect. (Remember it is 2017 not 2001)

      As to price, then I imagine the Optoma, Vivitek and probably a Benq at some point, will be similar, as they all use the same chipset.

      It should force Sony to reduce their 4K projector prices, which underperform and are vastly overpriced.

      Looks like my prediction that 2017 will be when 4K comes of age, is well on track.

      Bill
       
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      Sad to see a mainstream projector manufacturer dropping 3D.
       
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      I don't think (stress think) that's the case but I've yet to see absolute confirmation. Also I don't think it really matters as the difference between 4K and faux-k is pretty insignificant but I believe it's showing 8million unique pixels but not THE 8m pixels from a 4K source. It overlaps two sets of around 2716x1578 in a similar manner to the JVC's and Epson's though with more pixels to play with.
       
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      Where did you see $3k?

      That's be what, £2 or £2.5k.

      If that's true DLP are about to dominate the 4k market, and I suspect because of the cost of lenses. Multiple lenses are required for decent LCD-based devices, and it bumps up the cost significantly.

      Sorting RBE and black levels is a priority - if they can improve there, they're on to a winner.
       
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      Sounds like they are spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar by missing out on 3D, why not have a second model for £50 more, if it even cost that much extra, for a 3D version for people who appreciate it.

      They may as well say that as some people are colour blind or have faulty vision and can not see the full range of colours, we will just do it in black and white.

      I would rather see things going forwards with the best offerings that we can get via modern technology rather than going backwards.
       
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      Here you go Steve, they quote under $3k but whether that will be the final price I have no idea but if they are sub £2.5k here I will probably get one mate.

      New Product: <b>Optoma UHD60</b> 4K Home Theater
       
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      I am waiting to see real world reviews of these "texas" DLP models.

      I am not so bothered about the resolution issues - is it real 4K or not - as after using an Epson 9300W for a while now - as I suspect at real world watching size and distances all new display devices will be more than sharp enough.

      I suspect the real issues may be contrast and black levels to satisfy the discerning punters on here.

      if optoma can sell a 4K device here for £2.5k with HDR and competitive contrast and black levels they will be tough/impossible to beat.

      anyone confident that will happen? me maybe not so much but I would be happy to be proved wrong.
       
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      I dont see how RBE can be 'sorted' - You either see it or you don't, but it is present in all single chip DLP projectors - including the LED projectors like the Optoma HD90 that don't have a colour wheel.
       
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      I thought the consensus was that RBE was suppressed for some on the LED models.
       
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      I went to demo the HD90 shortly after as i was very excited about the prospect of rainbow free DLP.

      3 chip projectors look great- unfortunately it was still visible, you could stay it was suppressed compared to colour wheel models but it was visible and frankly still makes the technology completely un fit for purpose outside of 3 chip models in my opinion.
       
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      I think the only way to improve things with a single chip is to increase speeds.

      Basically, the faster the speeds, the less likely you are to see RBE.
       
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      With single chip 1080p DLP having hit *such* a low price point - £600 being very realistic I've always felt frustrated that a triple chip model couldn't be brought to market at the £2 grand price point. (Hence guaranteeing being rainbow free.)
       
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      Now that all the TV manufacturers have dropped 3D entirely, I suspect we'll start to see more projectors lose the feature as well. That's a shame because projected 3D is great but the emphasis is now on UHD and HDR and since 3D isn't supported in that format it's only a matter of time before 3D in the home disappears completely.
       
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      I do agree projected 3D is great, it would be a shame to see it go.
       
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      I can't see this product getting much traction at $5k (which will be at least £5k when exchange rates and taxes are added).
       
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      I haven't kept up to speed with televisions Steve since having a projector, I know Samsung dropped 3D but are you saying that all manufacturers have stopped 3D now ?.
      I do hope your wrong saying it's just a matter of time.. 3D will stay alive for a long time in my house :)
       
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      LG OLED panels have dropped 3D. So that also applies to the new Sony and Panasonic OLEDS.
      3D TV's were always a bit crack but 3D works really well on a large projected image.
       
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      Screen Shot 2017-01-14 at 11.03.48.png While 3D might well be disappearing as an option for consumers on TV's the reality is it still dominates at the box office - 9 of the top 10 grossing films last year where released in 3D. All this does is disenfranchise the home audience from having the choice of seeing films in their full range of visual features - its quite a step backwards.
       
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      All the TV manufacturers have now dropped 3D from their entire 2017 line-ups. Hopefully projector manufacturers will continue to support the format for a few more years.
       
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      Ahh right, I didn't know that, shame as the Lg oleds have great 3D, my old 59" plasma had top notch 3D to.
      I best stockpile a few displays !.
       
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      I love my 3D plasma and I've just bought a 3D OLED as a backup, following the news that manufacturers are dropping 3D. Home 3D looks so good to me that I will never again buy any 2D display equipment, even if that's all that is available. To me, it's like going back to black & white. A real backwards step.
       
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      It does seem a strange move by the TV manufacturers as with people even in quite small rooms getting ever bigger screens, along with the improving technology and knowhow of how to shoot and make 3D it should be becoming a main feature of all TVs.

      Can you imagine how good 3D in full 4K or even eventually 8K, would look on a big screen, even those who say that they are not impressed with 3D would find it impossible to realise what they had been missing, unless they had vision problems that made them unable to see in 3D

      All the other features that are now becoming the norm such as YouView, Freeview Play and the other Smart addons, can all be added to any TV by having a separate box, unlike 3D where the screen needs to be able to display it.
       
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      The TV manufacturers are just following the content. BBC backed away from 3D in 2013 due to lack of public appetite, and Sky dropped their dedicated 3D channels in 2015.
       
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      They will not make the content f the broadcasters will not screen it then the manufacturers will not make the devices to screen it.

      It is beginning to sound a bit like a chicken and egg thing but why does someone not make the bold decision and start the trend for the others to follow.
       
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      There are hundreds of 3D blu rays and the majority of the most successful films from last year will be released in 3D ... there is plenty of content.
       
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      The chicken and egg analogy is a good way to describe the initial situation when 3D was being launched. The reality, whether you or I like it, is that they HAVE made a bold decision in stopping it, and indeed it was a bold decision for the first one to do it but the others have followed the trend.

      I wasn't saying I thought 3D was a waste of time, nor was I saying I don't like it, but the industry has decided to focus on other things to encourage us all to buy new sets every few years which is all they care about.
       
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      I don't understand it.

      I'm no fan of 3-D, being quite happy to see it fail, but I know others are fans. Films are still being released on Blu-ray Disc in 3-D.

      Given that 3-D is only 1080p anyway, and we're now on to 4K, does it really cost that much more to include 3-D?
       

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