Video Processing / ISF : Request for Product Recommentation

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  1. marksinfield

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    Would I be correct in saying that in order to get the best out of your AV set-up inclusion of Video Processing / ISF is a must ? I have contacted Gordon at Covergent AV and look forward to receiving his professional advice.

    Weapon of choice on this forum appears to be Lumagen. Pixel Magic Systems are getting some good reviews. Any recommendations from members of this Forum as to which products and services I should consider would be very much appreciated.

    Mark
     
  2. hornydragon

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    Hi and welcome, is this for the 506XDE? i you have a search you will varying evels of sccess from users DIY ing the setup of a VP with a screen, ISF givesyou the advantage of having a Professional get it right in terms of VP setup and making sure that your screen is running at its optimum. It isnt a simple process but some members prefer to have a go them sleves before calling in the experts. Others find it a real pain and are happier to have it all done for them
     
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    Where can I find a list of ISF calibrators?

    Who is there in West Yorkshire who can perform this magic?

    Steve W
     
  4. hornydragon

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    Is someone taking the Michael?

    Over a quarter of the population of the UK live within a few miles of the M62, including Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Hull, and there's not one ISF dealer there?

    That's absolutely crazy, particularly when there appear to be at least 2 in Scotland (population only marginally larger than that of Yorkshire alone).

    Steve W
     
  6. hornydragon

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    well there is one in liverpool and another in telford (all travel) its a very specialised and growing market go back 3 years there were 3-4 in the UK, only one north of the M4
     
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    Who's the one in Liverpool?

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    As the person whos location is listed as liverpool in the link i gave is not a forum member or sponsor and is someone i have never met only "heard of" i would suggest you consider Forum member Calibrators first: Piers, ceenhad, Gordon convergant all travel regualrly and are active forum members with loads of experience
     
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    Put a different way, if Sevenoaks in Leeds do a custom install for me, including a Lumagen VP, is it likely to be set up properly?

    Steve W
     
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    well it wont be ISF'd, never dealt with leeds Sevenoaks so have no idea what they are capable of. Your perhaps better taking 1 step back and figuring out if they are supplying the correct kit first, then get advice on how to hook it up for best results the if you want seven oaks to do it for you you know what should be done, and can have ISF at a later date (very reconemended)
     
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    To that I can safely safe no, when I was in their last week I ended up talking to them about my Lumagen HDP, and whilst they had heard of it and knew the basics, that was about it. Put it this way one of them told me that a HDMI signal could not be scaled to 1:1! :eek:

    Your best bet is really Piers or Gordon who regular come up to the Leeds area to do jobs, and really know their stuff. But most importantly of the lot they both give excellent after sales service and go out of their way to help as I can personally testify to. I do like Sevenoaks in Leeds for general video or audio things, but I would happily wager they don’t have the same video knowledge or won’t give the same after sales service to the level of Piers or Gordon. Put it this way both of them spent a whole afternoon trying to sort out a problem for me that turn out to be a faulty DVD player.
     
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    Dear Mr Dragon, Pecker & Lizard,

    Thank you very much for your comments. As an AV novice this forum has provided a wealth of knowledge not least from Dragon's previous posts which have proved most helpful however it would appear that this thread is experiencing what is call in the trade as scope slippage: Liverpool & Sevenoaks.

    I'd hoped that this post, my phone calls & e-mails would be picked up by the elusive Gordon, alas not to be.

    So professional ISFing is what I & sounds like and many other AV enthusiasts need. Can anyone recommend a good ISF doctor/company, in the absence of Piers & Gordon?

    Whilst the HD Media Box (Pixel Magic) is primarily a media centre it appears to offer image processing at £300ish. Lumagen is coming in at £1000 plus. Appreciate you get what you pay for. Given the limitations of my kit (detailed in signature) primary video souce being Sky+ (future Sky HD) I would very much appreciate any comments/recommendations for image processing kit.

    Thanks

    Mark
     
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    Mark,
    From what I have read in the Lumagen forum Gordon is on holiday at the moment
     
  14. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    I am on holiday at the moment. I am back in office on Tuesday. Email to [email protected] is picked up while I am on the road although am turning the laptop off tomorrow when I leave my last client in Cornwall.

    While a huge amount of the populus live in Manchester/Leeds belt unfortunately not many that have heard of ISF or are prepared to pay for it do. I moved from Glasgow to London area precisley because there wasn't enough business up north. I still travel regularily to the Northwest and Northeast.

    No Sevenoaks dealerships are authorised Lumagen dealers. Lumagen scalers, like virtually every scaler I've come across, benefit from professional specialist set up.

    Hope this helps with some things.

    Off for a beer in the bar in my Truro hotel....

    G
     
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    Just to back up what Gordon, Horny et al have already posted.

    There are only a few of us ISF guys in the UK. On this forum myself, Piers and Gordon are all advertisers and I like to think that between us we can serve pretty much all of the people in the UK who are interested in ISF or HAA calibration. Remember that unlike the in US, ISF just isn't well known by the general populace - in fact many dealers I speak to are not even aware of the service.

    The effort to make ISF a standard part of any display purchase continues but until that day I guess we will all be happy to keep clocking up the miles travelling to our customers :)

    HTH

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    Hello markinsfield

    There are no similarities of purpose between a PMS HD Media Box and a Lumagen (or PMS for that matter) Video Processor.

    The HD Media Box is a digital media player - it has nothing to do with optimising your video images; apart from any user adjustments it offers you when playing back your stored media files; see http://www.pixelmagicsystems.com/products/media_players/hd_mediabox.htm

    I doubt PMS would destroy its own Video Processing market by giving you a 'free' Video Processor in a 300.00 GBP box when its own VP range starts at around 1.5K and ends at near 3.5K; see http://www.pixelmagicsystems.com/products/video_processors/crystalio_II.htm

    If you want to optimise your video replay then your looking at around 1.5K for the likes of a Lumagen HDQ or DVDO VP30+ABT102D or 2.5K for the entry level Crystalio II processor.

    Best regards

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    Thanks for getting back Gordon, have a great Holiday.

    Joe thank you for your post. Being new to the black art of Video processing I'd become confused over Processing & Scaling. Confusion on my part brought about by the MB100 article in What Video and High Def TV reading:

    The scaling system is high-level: a 10bit system from Sigma Designs incorporating motion adaptive de-interlacing.

    Thought that there may be an opportunity to run video through this box.

    Seemed like a good idea?
     
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    Hello markinsfield

    A 300.00 GBP Networked Media Player with multiple video Inputs and full on-board up-conversion and user configuration would sell like the proverbial hot cake.

    PMS would suggest though that you combine an HD Media Box with a Crystalio II VP if you required that functionality - and no your not getting the VP for Free :)

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    Yep I can see why you might think that. However there's a lot more to scalers than scaling. The chips themselves are fairly inexpensive. For instance you can get a DVD player featuring the Faroudja DCDi chip for around £200.
    But making that into a scaler which can accept various inputs and custom outputs, allow calibration, automation, etc, etc (and do it properly which the DVD player probably doesn't) comes out at around £1000+ for the Plasma Enhancer series and £1500+ for the even more flexible Crystalio 1.

    It's a similar story when you look at the range of Lumagens - they all feature the SiI504 chip (AFAIK) but the prices differ widely based on how flexible they are.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    BTW even though HD MediaBox can't accept any 'live' inputs, for DVD viewing you can rip those to the internal Hard Disk and deinterlace/scale them that way (although the HDMB only supports a handful of output resolutions).
     

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