Valve to Steam users: No class-action suits

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  1. Singh400

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    Valve to Steam users: No class-action suits | Ars Technica

    News - Updated Steam Subscriber Agreement

    So basically we have to agree to keep access to our games :thumbsdow
     
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    Ooh - material for a class action suit!
     
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    As long as you don't hack or cheat, you have nothing to worry about (apart from steam turning their servers off :) )
     
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    I'd have thought the existing restrictions (mandatory patching etc.) made it abundantly clear what valve's attitude to game ownership is.
     
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    You don't own the games you buy from Steam anyway.

    This means you couldn't sue them if, for example, due to their own negligence your personal details were compromised. I don't think this affects us here in the UK anyway as our laws are different.
     
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    Don't we own the licence or cd key for the games we purchase on steam?
     
  7. Singh400

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    No, we don't.
     
  8. eiren

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    You can't do a class action against them any way, as we don't have the equivalent in this country.

    Class Actions: A New Import into UK Litigation? - International Law Office

    Those alternatives aren't in the Valve Ts&Cs.

    So not really going to make much difference.
     
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    I still prefer to buy games on disk to be honest. Usually they are cheaper and downloads take ages for me. No doubt about ownership either. :)
     
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    At the end of the day contracts don't really mean too much if they are deemed to be unfair.

    e.g. i could get you to all sign a contract saying that all future earnings you make i get a 10% cut for being me..but it wouldn't be fair and therefore wouldn't stand up in court.

    Just like with this steam thing, if they put unfair clauses into their contract/agreement and you take it to court it doesn't matter if it is found to be unfair.
     
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    What about the retail ones we add the key to steam? Wouldn't we have "onwership" then?
     
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    Not sure to be honest. I do find it all a bit iffy and underhand.

    [​IMG]

    Edit* It's also worth pointing out how when Sony & EA did this everyone went bat **** crazy and threatened to boycott. But now Valve are doing it, no one notices or cares.
     
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    That's because Valve are awesome and the rest suck!!!!


    Realistically though as long as I can load and play my games fine I don't really care. Most companies kind of have things in the small print. We agree to them mostly without even reading them.
     
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    That was a bit fanboyish chalky :rotfl:
     
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    Twas tongue in cheek squire.

    But yeah they are awesome :)
     
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    steam is the biggest pile of **** I've ever come across in my gaming history.
     
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    that cant be a serious comment :cool:
     
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    Must have missed that one. Not sure why most people would be bothered? Since the only real benefit to class action is shared cost, and Valve are saying they're going to cover the cost if you feel the need to sue them.

    I think Origin scanning your files and transmitting what's in your My Documents back to EA is far worse than this would be.
     
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    At this point it would be easier for you to say what you do like than don't.

    Get used to it. He hates everything.
     
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    haha well for a bit of balance, I think steam is one of the best things to happen to pc gaming
     
  21. Singh400

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    Agreed, but there are many who would disagree - Notch for one.

    But this latest policy change by Valve only benefits them, not the consumers.
     
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    Majnoob is still annoyed they suspended him for raising a PayPal dispute against them when he bought the wrong game haha.
     
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    agreed but they are a business, I feel like valve do a decent bit for the community, more than most publishers anyway
     
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    It benefits me.

    Now if I want to sue them because I bought the wrong game because I didn't read the game page nor check my basket when I was checking out... they'll pay my expenses to do so!

    That's a better situation than we had before where we'd have to foot the costs ourselves since there's no class actions in UK law.
     
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    Are you sure? This news is plastered all over every tech website on the net, I would say that its been noticed ;)
     
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    My bad, should have been a bit clearer. Tech news sites are reporting it because it's their job.

    But none of the forums I go to have even said a word about it. And I clearly remember a bunch of forums went ape **** after EA and Sony did the same. Yet when Valve does it - nothing!
     
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    If valve had been first to do it then it would have caused a fuss but people are getting used to having to agree with ridiculous terms and conditions.
    Also, when it first happened folk were quite uninformed about it all but in general that's not really the case anymore.
     
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    ...and the fact you can't even call the bell ends to get it resolved and instead have to wait days for a generic reply shows how crap they are. I hate any company that holds a monopoly, I only hope MS or someone else have the balls to take them on.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    Why ? so MS fails horribly? there is a reason nobody has taken them on and I would much rather give my money to Gabe (who gives hive staff a catered meal every day and pays for them to go on holiday once a year) than MS

    and its not strictly true to say they have a monopoly, a lot of sites like GOG are doing very well for themselves
     
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    Guessing you won't be using steam again at all then?
     

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