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Question Using a secondary hard drive

_Dragon_

Active Member
Hi

First of am i being told right that if you want to encode edit videos its best to have a secondary hard drive?
If thats correct is it alright to store videos music etc on that same drive or is it best to have the secondary drive just for editing videos?
 

MarkE19

Moderator
With the older IDE connection this was too slow to do everything on the 1 HDD without the computer grinding to a halt at times. You were therefore better off having the software on 1 drive and any video files you were editing on another, and possibly even a 3rd scratch disk.
Now with much faster SATA disks this is less of a bottleneck but separate disk will still be a little quicker to work with, and if going to 4K editing your computer is going to need all the help it can get.

What else you put on the hard drive other than the video files should make no difference as long as there is still plenty of spare space.

Mark.
 

_Dragon_

Active Member
Cheers for replying:)

Helped me alot,I think im going to get a ssd for the OS and apps and then a hard drive for the video stuff and then a third for backup.
 

MarkE19

Moderator
Well that is how I have my general use & video editing PC setup.

SSD boot & programs drive - I use Sony Movie Studio for editing
2 mechanical HDD's for data and video editing projects - 1x 500Gb & 1x 1.5Tb HDD's
A server for off PC backups of everything from the PC - 4x 2Tb HDD's in a RAID5 type array.

So your setup should be fine.

Mark.
 

_Dragon_

Active Member
Great, So will 4 threads be fine or is it better to go for a 8 thread cpu?

I was thinking of this cpu
Intel Core i5-6400 2.70GHz (Skylake) Socket
 

thekeemo

Active Member
Great, So will 4 threads be fine or is it better to go for a 8 thread cpu?

I was thinking of this cpu
Intel Core i5-6400 2.70GHz (Skylake) Socket
that CPU is great for your needs
I would recommend getting one that has hyperthreading though (i7 series)
 

_Dragon_

Active Member
So then how about this for a system:

CORE I7-4790K 4.00GHZ (DEVIL'S CANYON) SOCKET LGA1150 PROCESSOR - RETAIL

16GB 2X8GB

SSD 250GB/ HD 1TB HD 2TB for Backup/Storage


GEFORCE GTX 770 LIGHTNING 2048MB GDDR5

 
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MarkE19

Moderator
i5 vs i7 is really down to how important the speed of file rendering is.
Yes an i7 with 4cores/8threads will work quicker, but if you only edit the odd few things each year can you justify the additional cost? But now with many programs able to offload the rendering to the GPU how much difference do the extra threads really make :confused:

For me I am stuck in the middle, I do a fair bit of editing but it is still just a small part of the usage I get from my PC. So knowing I would regret not getting the i7 I ended up with an i7-2600K ( a few years old now). I could have got the non K version as I've never over clocked it, but hey it's only money :facepalm:

Mark.
 

_Dragon_

Active Member
Think it will be better if i go the i7 route as its there if i need it. True my pc is not going to be heavy editing but i never know.

Im not interested in overclocking.
 

MarkE19

Moderator
You're as bad as me - I can resist everything except for temptation :p

Mark.
 

_Dragon_

Active Member
Yea picking a pc is a nightmare,The one i have has been a nightmare but this one is going to be heaven lol

Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard

Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive

Seagate 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM

Seagate 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM

Intel Core i7-4790K 4.00GHz (Devil's Canyon) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail

GeForce GTX 770 "Twin Fan Edition" 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

TeamGroup Vulcan GOLD 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit

SuperFlower FX 450W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply - Black

NZXT Source 340 Midi-Tower Case
 

thekeemo

Active Member
Yea picking a pc is a nightmare,The one i have has been a nightmare but this one is going to be heaven lol

Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard

Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive

Seagate 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM

Seagate 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM

Intel Core i7-4790K 4.00GHz (Devil's Canyon) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail

GeForce GTX 770 "Twin Fan Edition" 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

TeamGroup Vulcan GOLD 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit

SuperFlower FX 450W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply - Black

NZXT Source 340 Midi-Tower Case
We have some work to do...
please give me a budget and what you already have and I will tweak it for optimization
 

ChuckMountain

Distinguished Member
Do you need any DVD\Blu ray drives as I love that case as its a great price and takes a full size ATX board without acres of space doing nothing. However it does not have any DVD drive bays.
 

ChuckMountain

Distinguished Member
Here is a starter for 5 inc Win 8.1

Rationale sticking with the 4790k because although you don't want to overclock its faster than the 4790. I like Asus and Gigabyte MBs.

Obviously you can tweak individual components but the below should be a nice quiet machine and you could always get a cheaper PSU\CPU cooler and swap for another SSD as there are two SSD holders in that case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£245.95 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£56.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£105.52 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£63.13 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£70.64 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£70.64 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (£134.96 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£54.72 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£56.99 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) (£72.69 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £997.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-03 10:27 GMT+0000
 

thekeemo

Active Member
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£318.78 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.95 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£134.96 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£41.08 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£63.48 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.12 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card (£264.94 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.49 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£82.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1028.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-03 15:47 GMT+0000

Windows is cheap on sites like g2a so I didn't include it in the price
Edit: more optimization to be done. I thought it was 2*8gb ram
 
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thekeemo

Active Member
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£318.78 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.95 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£109.87 @ More Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£72.98 @ Dabs)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£63.48 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£239.99 @ Novatech)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.49 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£82.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1007.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-03 17:16 GMT+0000
here is the modified one
 

12harry

Distinguished Member
You're spending a huge % amount to improve render times, yet have only 1Tb of storage for other stuff. If you are doing a lot of HD Video( or 4K by proxy perhaps?) then you will need much more storage very soon . . . and IMHO it would be better to include it at the start.
3Tb drives are reasonably priced and this will ensure yr BIOS overcomes the 2Tb limit.
Hope that helps.
Good luck.
 

thekeemo

Active Member
You're spending a huge % amount to improve render times, yet have only 1Tb of storage for other stuff. If you are doing a lot of HD Video( or 4K by proxy perhaps?) then you will need much more storage very soon . . . and IMHO it would be better to include it at the start.
3Tb drives are reasonably priced and this will ensure yr BIOS overcomes the 2Tb limit.
Hope that helps.
Good luck.
its a lot easier to upgrade storage than to upgrade your processor and graphic card
 

ChuckMountain

Distinguished Member
That's why I recommended more storage and a lower card. Its ok to upgrade later but 1.2TB is a lower limit for a standard machine these days rather than a video editing one.

I do some video editing and I have some intermediary files in the 100GB range for 40 mins of video so you don't want to run out.

If you have a budget you need to not upgrade in the next month... :)

Also I would still stick with Nvidia if you are using Premier Pro, although support is much better now for AMD its still newer and the Nvidia drivers can be more stable.
 

thekeemo

Active Member
That's why I recommended more storage and a lower card. Its ok to upgrade later but 1.2TB is a lower limit for a standard machine these days rather than a video editing one.

I do some video editing and I have some intermediary files in the 100GB range for 40 mins of video so you don't want to run out.

If you have a budget you need to not upgrade in the next month... :)

Also I would still stick with Nvidia if you are using Premier Pro, although support is much better now for AMD its still newer and the Nvidia drivers can be more stable.
I've tested it out and opencl rendering (basically AMD rendering works great) and their divers are actually better than nvidias. That being said I am using an nvidia card because I got a really good deal on one. But given the option to trade for equivalent amd card I would do it in a heartbeat.
 

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