Usa gun crime ?

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  1. wookielover

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    After the tragedy of last weeks shooting and with bowling for columbine fresh in my head I've got a general discussion point ,
    Why is gun crime so high in the states?
    Many many any other countries allow fire arms , Canada and Aussie to name the first two in my head . But why is it the stars suffers from these horrible events more so then other countries ?
    Are the laws too relaxed , or are other countries more stringent on there checks ?
     
  2. Dave

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    I don't think it's down to one single thing. I will say for sure though the incredibly easy access to firearms that a squaddie would wet themselves for is rather alarming. Semi automatic rifles are incredibly powerful weapons and have very little use for self defence or hunting animals. They are designed for hunting people so quite why they are so incredibly easy to get hold of is astonishing.

    Some tough questions and soul searching for the yanks though, whilst not unique to the US they do seem to have a prevalence of these sort of incidents.
     
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    Two problems.

    1. Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    2. The NRA.
     
  4. wookielover

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    Built into their culture ?
     
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    It is part of their culture - which is strange when you look at our culture towards guns considering the history that Britain has with war and bloodshed!

    Anyway - it's very odd. I love the US but they have a very strange view when it comes to violence. You can watch horror and violent films on US TV at 9am in the morning. The sex and swearing will be blurred and beeped but all the bloody violence will be kept in! To me, that's very strange and not right.

    Add into that their 2nd amendment and their "right" to bear arms and you get a nation that sees guns as something they should be allowed and violence as the norm.

    I know it's a bit generalised but after visiting there for the past 30 odd years it's always something that I've noticed as being a weird take on priorities.
     
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    it does result in some amazing TV movies though, any Big Lebowski fan needs to google "this is what happens when you meet a stranger in the alps" best. censorship. ever.

    In all seriousness though, I think its a problem deeply embedded into the US culture.

    Show a gun to someone in the UK and they will be a little wary of it, show a gun to someone in the US and they go "ohh cool!"

    I remember being in Houston with work and going around a hunting/outdoors shop with a handful of people from Texas and California who all owned guns, didnt hunt, didnt even say they wanted them for home/personal protection. Just thought they were cool. Have to say I felt a little uneasy walking around a shop where people were walking in and out to pick up guns and an aisle full of bullets anyone could pick up.

    Even knifes, I sometimes have a little handy tool type thing on me which has a 1" blade/letter opener in it. Out to bar in Houston and someone had a tag sticking out their shirt, guy from California says "oh hey man, I have a knife you can cut it with" out comes a 6" switch blade :rolleyes:

    They just seem to have this inherent desire to do everything to extremes, home defense? who needs a CCTV camera or a decent door lock when I have an assault rifle and 2000 rounds! Small utility knife? well my handy 7" switch blade will do just fine!
     
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    When you say fresh in your head, do you mean that you have watched the documentary called 'Bowing for Columbine', or do you mean that the shootings at Columbine are fresh in your head?
    The documentary does in fact set out to answer the very questions you are asking. Whether you believe Michael Moore to be wrong or right, I do think he raises some good issues in his films.
     
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    So true...and so scary.
     
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    Aren't most assault rifle owners regulars at gun ranges, so it's more of a hobby for them rather than protection? although I'm sure it could double up for protection if necessary...
     
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    I agree with many of the posts already written but also remember to take into account that the population of the USA is about 10times more than Canada and about 15 times more than Australia.

    So if 1 thing happened in Canada and 1 thing happened Australia that would be equal to 25 things happening in the USA.
     
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    True, although the percentages are a lot higher too, I think Finland is probably the closest in terms of percentages, for gun crime and homicide, to America out of the more developed countries... but still a long way behind.
     
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    yeah definitely for sure, that's why I agreed with what other people had written too
     
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    Sorry, yeah, I was agreeing with you, not arguing, it just didn't seem clear in my post :D
     
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    Actually that's a misrepresentation and taken completely out of context by modern Americans , i think the 2nd amendment refers to "the right to "keep" arms .
    the whole thing was set up to shoot us(redcoats) anyway.
     
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    The 2nd amendment says

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
     
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    of course every tom dick and harry having a gun is not really a "well regulated militia" and so the current state of affairs is perhaps not the vision of the founding fathers.
     
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    humm ,i'm sure i remember a little controversy from my school history days , but that was a long long time ago :)
     
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    A couple of years ago I was in Palm Beach, Florida visiitng family, and my brother in law suggested we spend an afternoon at the local indoor shooting range.

    My thought was why not, it's something that I had never tried and seemed like a good way to kill an afternoon.....I have two abiding memories of that day, one being the kickback in my shoulder from the Magnum and secondly the distinct lack of security and relaxed atmosphere in the place.

    I asked the owner did he ever feel at risk, or endangered with no alarms/shutters on the property.....he laughed and then when I saw behind his counter I realised why it was a stupid question.

    My point is that nobody would be stupid enough to try and rob the place, even if it was a rough part of town....it's second nature to be able to protect yourself something sadly lacking in the UK.
     
  21. Lancia34

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    So we should all carry guns for protection? In all my 37yrs in this country I've never really felt the need to protect myself. I have locks on my doors and windows but that's about it, except for my replica Highlander sword :D , I've never worried about my safety...
     
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    No, not at all.

    The proliferation of guns in the US used by the criminal fraternity means that innocent parties I know, and the police, feel more assured when they have a similar weapon.

    Thankfully you can walk the streets in the UK in relative safety....:smashin:
     
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    ^ looks like they have sold at least 3 from that display...
    Sad.
     
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    They weren't sold they were stolen. Armed robbery.
     
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    Wish we had a 2nd amendment.
     
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    Every nut carrying a gun all across the USA has probably deterred any planned invasion as they will not only be fighting the military but the whole population.
     
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    Yep, modern day Minutemen.
     
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    In Finland you can only buy alcohol at a government run shop which means you can't go out and have a few drinks with people which in turn reduces socialising. I suspect their suicide rate is high as well.
     

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