USA - 1 in 4 believes the Sun orbits the Earth....

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  1. liamt

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    Your thread title needs an update ;)
     
  3. liamt

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    oops. now who's stupid eh? :facepalm:
     
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    does this surprise you in the slightest? I honestly thought the % would have been lower after my last 2 visits to the country!
     
  5. EarthRod

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    To put it correctly:

    "Just 74 percent of respondents knew that the Earth revolved around the Sun."
    "One in four unaware that the Earth revolves around the Sun
    ".

    It all depends on how the question was asked, the wording is very important and it is well known many studies like this are designed to provide a 'skewed' response.
     
  6. rousetafarian

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    Yes it does considering the small sample of 2200 people from a 300 million-ish population, also worth noting that only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy answer correctly.

    We are all idiots.
     
  7. liamt

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    well, i guess a lot depends on who you ask. and lets face it, parts of europe are almost in the dark ages still.
     
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    The so-called 'dark ages' have been shown to be quite enlightened according to recent archaeological evidence.

    What parts of Europe are almost in the dark ages?
     
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    Wales?

    Phil
     
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    If the results of a poll told me "25% of the world population are idiots or not very bright" I wouldnt be at all surprised or find it newsworthy
     
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    Greater than that % on AV Forums think we didn't land on the moon. And we are taking AV advice from some of these people.

    Phil
     
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    After living in the great state of Texas for about the last 9 years, that is not the conclusion I get. Yes there are leotards here, but no more than the UK has. The problem is the that poor people here drop out from school and are dumb and there are some scary God botherers that wield a lot of power.
     
  13. rousetafarian

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    My two nephews (10&6) have adapted well from an English education to a US education, whilst living in Texas for the last 18 months. They are very bright kids, but according to my family out there the schooling system is excellent and they are learning a hell of a lot.

    I know where I would rather be living right now.
     
  14. Graham27

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    It's not just the USA. Admittedly my anecdote refers to kids, but still...

    My cousin, a schoolteacher in Central Scotland, asked her P7 class to name three famous Scotsmen. The answers were:

    1 - Mel Gibson.
    2 - Lionel Messi.
    3 - Keith Lemon.

    Obviously Gibson was Braveheart related, and they may even have meant William Wallace. Messi is slightly bizarre, and Keith Lemon is just absolutely mental.
     
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    No one's going to disagree on that one.

    Phil
     
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    That Keith Lemon thing is logical. Lemons contain a massive amount of citric acid. Acid is a music form that was popular in the late 80's. The late 80's was a period of great social upheaval, especially around the burbs of Edinburgh. Edinburgh is the city Irving Welsh set his book Trainspotting that is more Scottish than bagpipes....QED Keith Lemon. Come on guys, surprised you didn't suss that one out.
     
  18. Graham27

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    Talking of Acid, did you maybe take too much of it in the late 80s yourself, Bill? :D
     
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    Since when does a lack of knowledge make someone stupid?
     
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    Perhaps the Keith Lemon one..was confused with Simon Pegg
     
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    Many people are too stupid to understand that distinction. ;)
     
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    or he was a huge fan of Ted Rogers on 3-2-1
     
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    Well, as far as those kids are concerned, if they hadn't been too stupid to listen the week before when they were being told about notable Scots, then they may have had some knowledge on the subject!

    Ted Rogers? I always preferred Dusty.
     
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    Only when either the knowledge they lack is part of even the simplest basic education.
    or they consider their opinions or ideas valuable on things they know nothing about.

    In other words, people are stupid when they don't understand they don't know enough ;)
     
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    It is not technically incorrect to say the Sun orbits the Earth. If you chose the Earth as a fixed point of reference, that could indeed be the case (note that both of these bodies are in motion). It all depends on that point of reference, etc.

    However, the problem is coming up with a system that gives all the planets simple to describe paths (e.g., ellipses). We do not say the Earth orbits the Sun because the converse is necessarily untrue, we say it because it simplifies analysis.

    This was the original question, by the way:

    "Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth?"

    "Neither" would not be an incorrect answer.
     
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    but remember, all you get is a brand new dustbin
     
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    I very much doubt that the participants in the survey approached their answer in such a way...

    Phil
     
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    That's true, but not for the reason you say.

    They both orbit their mutual centre of mass, which in this case is very close to the Sun's centre, so simple Newtonian mechanics based on a fixed Sun suffice for most purposes; but it remains an approximation.

    Because it's an accelerated system, there is no frame of reference transformation which allows the Sun to be considered as orbiting a fixed Earth, or vice versa.

    Think about it. The Earth's rotation is a complication, so let's stop it and consider what we'd see. The Sun would appear to circle us once a year. But Newtonian mechanics would not be able to describe it, because that's based on the Sun's mass being very much greater than the Earth's. And neither would General Relativity. The only solution is, as I say, mutually orbiting their common CoM.
     
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