upgraditis kicking in.....a few questions on choosing a new DVD player

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  1. Hallsy

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    Now I have got an AV receiver, Yam RX-V640 I am starting to look at upgrading various components. I currently have a Bush TXA 2028 DVD player, and to be honest I have never had any problems with it picture wise, or with DTS soundtracks, but then I have never directly compared it either. Anyway, CD playback through the Yam set to "stereo" mode is very poor and I was considering buying a separate CD player, nothing too expensive, maybe something like a Marantz CD5400 and then maybe upgrading the DVd player to something like a Pioneer 575, or maybe something a little cheaper. Thing is this would cost me around the 200 plus mark, but as I was reading through some old posts I came across some info on the Limit DVD800SE and DVDA900SE.
    As they are both Cyrus tuned and highly reagrded for audio quality I thought they could be a good deal and possibly right for me,a s well as being the cheaper option. The DVD800SE is currently available from play for 80 quid (sorry pound sign isn't working!!) and the DVDA900SE for 100. As I don't really have any major picture issues with my Bush and I'm sure that the Limit would be better anyway I would surely get a decent upgrade on both sound & video fronts?
    Question is are there any others I should consider to suit me, or maybe still go separate CD and DVD route?
    Also on the two Limit's would it be worth me spending the extra on the DVDA900SE, I use a 28" LG widescreen which doesn't have component inputs, only RGB scart or S-Vid so I wouldn't use the progressive scan facility (unless I were to upgrade my screen later down the line) and I have no DVD-A discs, but maybe I would be inclined to buy them in the future - who knows? Bearing that in mind the DVD800SE seems to suit my needs, but is the DVDA900SE better as far as picture or audio are concerned, or is it identical apart from prog scan and DVD-A compatibility?
    Are the Play prices the cheapest at the mo for these players?
     
  2. nero0410

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    I got the limit 9900se from richer sounds in bristol for just £30!! It has great sound and picture quality and has pal and ntsc progressive scan as well. rgb scart, s-video, component and composite video out. multiregion and macrovision free. Nice little player, has played everything I have thrown at it so far apart from mp3 written on a dvd but mp3 on a cd is fine. Quite a few features like picture adjustment are included(colour, brightness, contrast etc...)

    I think it is a quite a steal for £30, I think it was around £150

    Check out with your nearest richer sounds, and if they havent got one in ask them to get one from the bristol store for you as they still have them there at the moment.

    hope this helps

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    Thanks for the advice nero, I had read your thread when you first bought that player and had considered it as according to RS website they have 1 at my local branch for 25 (pound sign broke :( ) which seems a steal considering it retailed at 150 if nort more, and people have sold second hand ones on here for 65 very recently.
    I must admit I was most interested in the DVD800SE or DVDA900SE as they have Cyrus tuning for CD playback and this is the main reason I am upgrading. I have found no reviews on the 9900 to comment on CD playback, did you find any? Also you mentioned in an old post about problems with them could you comment on what problems have arose? I am still very tempted to get one at the price if my local RS still has one, but really am after good CD playabck.
     
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    Thats ok guv.

    I am not sure if this player is cyrus tuned for cd playback, however I find that it has very good sound for cd audio as well as dvd sound tracks.

    Music is very clear and punchy, and has a 'your there' feel to it.

    I have so far only had one problem which was the things motor started spinning a little louder than it should. However I have now listened to various music cd's on it and watched about 6 films, it seems that it just needed a bit of settleing in. (The motor problem was the most common I have read about. Others were pauseing playing on a dvd at 40mins ish for a few secs and then continueing. But I havent had any further problems myself, and I'm very happy with my purchase)

    They are definately well worth the money that they are going for, I'd jump in at the chance and buy one again

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    any chance you could do me a quick favour (or maybe you know anyway) could you measure the width of it for me?
    Is this also one of the Limit's that you can't put into standby? Not too bothered, just wondered?
    Also, for anyone that has the DVD800SE or 900SE could they comment on whether the DVD800SE would have similar or improved video quality over the 9900SE? In another thread it was commented that both had very good video and audio output, but the DVDA900SE was possibly slightly better on video.
    I am still thinking that I would possibly go for the DVD800SE as I have no DVD-A disks and have no need for prog scan at the mo, and at 80 quid delivered from Play it seems like a very good deal, especially when it was given 5* from WHF at 150. Do both 800 & 900 use the same Zoran chipsets, and is the audio side of the players the same?
     
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    No problem, it's just short of 44cms in width, and, yep one of those players that you cannot put in standby.

    I purely went for it opposed to the one on play that sigs suggested to me as I went up to richer sounds for a sub and a pioneer 575, but saw that one for £30 and asked the guy in the shop if it was anything like the 900se and he said that I wouldnt really be able to tell the difference. So I thought I might as well go for it at that price, and I'm still not regretted it at all.

    However, you might as well get as much info on the others as you can so you make sure you definately get somthing you want.

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    I got the Limit from Richer Sounds as well(a lot more than £30)
    some time ago and picture quality is very good,only slight drawback
    I have found is unresponsive when you first try to open to insert
    disc(button on set or remote)but take some beating for £30 :D
     
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    I'm saying this as a general rule that I think can be statistically proved and that is that the mediatek based chipsets are probably the worst for audio cd playback if nothing else because they always seem to have fairly high audio jitter ratings/digital deviation for bit streams. The Pioneer 575 has a audio jitter rating of about 500ps where as the earlier 565 was about 200ps which is similar to Cambridge and Arcam players. Players based on the zoran chipsets like LGs, Samsungs and Thomsons (probably LG underneath) normally score quite well for audio jitter. High audio jitter ratings equals loss of sound detail because the information is simply lost due to the timing problems.

    Most of the dvd players that do half decent audio cd playback are zoran based it seems. I don't know if thats because a zoran chipset is more expensive and likely to be used in a more expensive player or that the zoran chipset has better audio timing somehow.

    If you want half decent audio cd playback from a dvd player first rule I think is keep away from mediatek based players. The limit models are all zoran based I think (not 100% sure of this). Anyway I've ordered a s/hand Limit 900SE and I'm looking forward to hearing some 5.1 sound tracks with the benefit of cyrus tuning.

    I plan to test it against my AMW P80L which is renowned for fairly grotty audio cd playback and has a audio jitter rating of over 3000 picoseconds. Mediatek based of course. Hopefully it will be the difference between night and day. I think the P80L is especially bad as they fitted the main mediatek 1379 chip do the dvd drive itself and the player has no seperate pcb. So effectively I suspect its more prone to stray electrical signals and power fluctuations.
     
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    I'm looking for a very cheap player until I decide which player to place in my final AV set up... the Limit looks ideal and at only £24.95 looks a steal. Only RS seem to stock it and then only in their righton & Southampton stores... :( bad news for me as they don't deliver and my nearest store is Leeds.

    Incidentally... the Limit website only lists the DVD800SE and DVDA900SE.. so what is the model at RS http://ws4.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=LIMI-DVD9900OSE-S ??
     
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    I also noticed this, as this is the model that I have. Apprently it is a model 'exclusive' to richer sounds. It has practically the same spec and features of the dvda900se though. I guess it's roughly the same thing.

    I have had mine a while now and I am impressed with both PQ and sound performance.

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    Thanks for all the comments guys, it's still a tough one. To be honest if once I've been paid this week I have £30 spare I may well give my local RS a bell to see if they still have one and purchase it anyway, it will be better than what I have now, and if I decided in time that I still want better audio I can either get a decent CD, or another DVD, for £25 I won't have lost a lot!!
    I presume with the mediatek/zoran chipsets it is pretty obvious when you open it up which chipset you have?
    Does anyone have a decent picture of the Limit 9900SE?
     
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    The Limit 9900 is much older than the 900SE as it came out at the tail end of 2002 where as the 800SE was the very end of 2003 and the 900SE was early 2004.

    I don't think there is much similarity between the 9900 and 900SE because they look so different with a different look, layout and buttons. I'd also question if there was much similarity between the 800SE and 900SE because again they do look completely different and some basic functionality is different. I don't think they come from the same factory in china.

    I think all these Limit players are basically rebranded chinese cheapies. However with the 800SE and 900SE they sent examples to Cyrus for re-engineering for improved sound on the 800SE and improved sound and vision for the 900SE. Then either the original chinese factory or perhaps limit themselves started modifying the player with upgraded components as per Cyrus's instructions. I suppose which one could be indicated by how new the box's looked when people received their players. If they looked completely fresh then its probably at the chinese factory but if a few examples have a few scratches and the box's are a little bit soiled looking then its probably a secondary stage where the dvd players were opened and higher grade components fitted.

    It does sound a bit inefficient and expensive reprocessing the players in that way but I reckon thats what they did as only small numbers at a time ever seemed to come into the uk from belgium and they sold the players directly from the limit website rather than shops to therefore increase their margins.

    I'd also like to point out (even though I've purchased a 900SE) that only the 800SE seems to have had the rave reviews. I don't remember seeing a 900SE reviewed but user feedback on the 900SE seems to be as good if not better than the 800SE. From what I've read they are very similar for audio but the 900SE is noticably better for visuals. However the 900SE does lack standby mode which is strange.
     
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    This is about the biggest and best I cold find for now, I'll try to borrow a camera and take a pic of the front and rear for you in the next couple of days

    Limit 9900se

    [​IMG]

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