Upgrade Wharfedale 8.1's, what to?

broona

Moderator
Current system :-

Marantz CD6000 KI Signature CD player
Marantz PM6010SE amplifier
Marantz ST4000 tuner
Wharfedale Diamond 8.1 speakers
Mark Grant phonos for the CD player
Cambridge Audio Atlantic for the tuner
QED Silver speaker wire
Apollo Adagio AD5 rack
Atacama Nexus 6 speaker stands with top spikes

I just feel that the speakers (and possibly the amp too, but that's an upgrade for later!) let the system down a little, and would like something with a little more bass definition/extension. Looking for something around the same size as my current speakers, or SWMBO will kick off, just with a better 'defined' sound if that makes any sense, and have up to £150 to spend, so would ideally be looking second hand. Thanks for looking. :thumbsup:
 

broona

Moderator
Anyone?
 

rossyl

Standard Member
Tannoy Mx2's go extremely well with that amp. I tested for 3 hours in Sevenoaks that amp with a Marantz CD 6000 OSE (not Ki) with expensive van der hull interconnects, and high grade speaker wire.

The Tannoy Mx2 three of us agreed was better in terms of high end, mid range, bass, and generally dealing with a complex orchestral music with a variety of instruments playing at once.

The Tannoy's didn't distort on bassy dance type tracks (micky finn - drum and bass!). On female ballads (such as song Get here if you can) where the voice is high pitched clear and detailed, the Mx2's provided excellent sound so much so that you could pick up when the artist was breathing, unlike the other speakers. When listening to classical music the piano detailing was excellent, a true test i think for speakers. It almost sounded like there was a piano in the room a feat hard to achieve. The gladiator soundtrack sounded excellent especially where many intruments are playing and a crscendo is building.

The Mx2's I believe ws made for this amp!

We compared it to various Monitor Audio speakers (£350+), Kef Cresta, B&W 602s, and a few others. The Mx2's THREE of us were unanimous to agree after 3 hours were the best.

Give them a listen please!

Should you be a badge junky....
I found the Mordaunt Short (902s I think they were) to provide ample but defined punchy bass.
 

broona

Moderator
Thank you for a very informative answer, will look into auditioning a pair. :smashin:
 

MikeK

Novice Member
I think the MX2s were discontinued some time ago - you may struggle to find them now. The Fusion or Mercury F is a very similar, but is front ported. Not heard these, so can't really help there, but Tannoy are usually decent, as you probably know!
Personally though, I'd stay clear of rear ported designs (like the MX2) unless you can give them that bit of room behind them that the rear port needs - if they are up against a wall, I'd look for front ported models. If you have the space though...... :)

You could also take a look at the Diamond 8.2s at around £80 - very similar sound to what you have now, but with better bass extension.
Also, you could take a look at the rather nicely finished Wharfedale Pacific Evo 10s - as they are being phased out now, you can pick up a deal on them at about £150 or so. If you like the sound of Diamonds (and I assume you do or you wouldn't ever have bought a pair right :) ), you'll like these! (check out the shape first though - they are quite deep) - did I mention they are very nicely finished too :) :)

The other model which springs to mind in the price range is the Monitor Audio Bronze B2.


BTW - (you are probably already well aware of this, but what the hell) within reason, at the budget you are looking at, you aren't going to get significantly better bass extension from another speaker in the same size range. You may get better bass definition, but again it's likely to be marginal at the price level. For the size and price, the Diamonds were pretty good speakers - though I suspect you already know this. The models quoted above are all the next size up really!
There are lots of other alternatives of course, but I think you'd have to be careful about simply changing for changing's sake.
 

broona

Moderator
Thanks for the reply, had thought about the 8.2's as well, may be an option. Been keeping an eye out for B2's too, or ideally Silver S1's, but probably a little out of my price range. The Evo 10's look lovely, and I see Superfi have them for £149.95, tempting.....
Also tempted by the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1's, but not sure how much of an improvement they'd be, will keep looking for now. :D
 

Dfour

Well-known Member
Also worth thinking about (not sure on the speaker sizes though):

Wharfedale Evo 10

Mission Volare V62

AE Evo 1

I have seen and heard the Wharfedale and the AE and thing thay are both superb bookshelf speakers especially with music. The Wharfedale are also very asthetically pleasing (if that matters:) )

Again DEMO them as I have no idea what they would sound like with your amp in your room.
 

Knyght_byte

Novice Member
for £180 u should be able to pick up Monitor Audio Bronze 2's. They hit 42hz lowest, which is about as deep as most bookshelf speakers will go (at the price anyway...lol), they also have good control and speed.....look good too so shouldnt bother the SO....
 

Falp

Novice Member
MA Bronze 2

MA Silver 1 (at bargain prices now)

AE EVO1

Focal JMLab 706s

KEF iQ3

My favorites
 

broona

Moderator
Thanks for all the replies, will give me plenty to investigate! Like the look of the Focals and the Evo 10's, see what I can find. :thumbsup:
 

Falp

Novice Member
broona said:
Thanks for all the replies, will give me plenty to investigate! Like the look of the Focals and the Evo 10's, see what I can find. :thumbsup:
I heard the EVO 10's... didn't impressed me apart of the amount of bass..
 

broona

Moderator
Falp said:
I heard the EVO 10's... didn't impressed me apart of the amount of bass..
Thanks, I'm not looking for stupid amounts of bass, just a little more, and slightly more controlled/defined, but would also like plenty of detail throughout too, I assume you're saying the midrange/treble isn't very good on these?
There's a set of Tannoy MX2's on Ebay at the 'mo for not a lot of money, might buy them and try them, if I don't like them, I can always sell them on again. :thumbsup:
 

Falp

Novice Member
Nice sound but maybe a lack of detail... IMHO
 

broona

Moderator
Falp said:
Nice sound but maybe a lack of detail... IMHO
Thanks again, may still be worth a look if I can get some at the right price. :)
Currently watching some Tannoy MX2's, Monitor Audio B2's, Focal 706's and AE Evo 1's on Ebay, bidding on the AE's as my young lady liked them! :rolleyes:
 

Knyght_byte

Novice Member
if you can get the B2's you should like their bass, its goes low for the size and can belt it out fairly loudly, but in a controlled way, not a bloated mass of noise....

if you want more refined treble control tho (difficult at the price) find a pair of Silver 1 or 2's at reduced price.....
 

broona

Moderator
Knyght_byte said:
if you can get the B2's you should like their bass, its goes low for the size and can belt it out fairly loudly, but in a controlled way, not a bloated mass of noise....

if you want more refined treble control tho (difficult at the price) find a pair of Silver 1 or 2's at reduced price.....
Thanks, they're still on my shortlist. :thumbsup: The AE Evo 1's go down to 38hz according to the specs, so should match the MA's for depth too, will find out if I win my Ebay auction! If I don't, I'll be looking at either the MA's or the Focal's next. :smashin:
 

Falp

Novice Member
broona said:
Thanks, they're still on my shortlist. :thumbsup: The AE Evo 1's go down to 38hz according to the specs, so should match the MA's for depth too, will find out if I win my Ebay auction! If I don't, I'll be looking at either the MA's or the Focal's next. :smashin:
The best choices, but look for the KEF iQ3 and QUAD 11L too...
 

broona

Moderator
Falp said:
The best choices, but look for the KEF iQ3 and QUAD 11L too...
Priced up the Quads, seem to be well out of my budget, but can't do any harm to keep looking, may find a bargain. The iQ3's are also out of my price range, but there's got to be a bargain out there somewhere too! If only I wasn't getting married, could divert more funds to something useful..........
 

Falp

Novice Member
Lots of QUADs 11L in Ebay... and KEF Q1 at bargain prices (new iQ series...)
 

broona

Moderator
Falp said:
Lots of QUADs 11L in Ebay... and KEF Q1 at bargain prices (new iQ series...)
But the Quads are still going for £250+, at least £100 more than I would like to spend. The Q1's seem to go for reasonable money though. :)
 

broona

Moderator
Won the AE's for £95 delivered, but couldn't resist bidding on a pair of 706's too, see how that goes! At least if I've got 2 or 3 pairs of speakers to audition at home, I can make an informed choice as to which ones I like best, and put the others back on Ebay. :thumbsup:
 

broona

Moderator
Won the 706's for £120 delivered too, looks like I'm going to be busy auditioning next weekend! Thanks for all the help. :thumbsup:
 

broona

Moderator
After many hours of testing, I'm sill confused!!! Both new sets of speakers blow my old 8.1's out of the water, but I can't choose between them! The AE's have slightly better bass extension, but the Focal's have slightly better bass control. The Focal's also seem to be slightly better at higher frequencies, but the differences are so minimal (and I haven't got the best set of ears in the world!), that I don't know which ones to keep. :confused: Anyone want to come round and audition them with me? ;)
 

Dfour

Well-known Member
Where do you live ??
 

broona

Moderator
Dfour said:
Where do you live ??
Hexham, 25 miles West of Newcastle Upon Tyne, may be a little too far for you to travel! :rotfl:
PS, updated my profile to show where I live. :)
 

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