Upgrade HDMI lead?

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  1. Dubplate

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    Anyone replaced the standard hdmi lead with sky HD and recomend doing so? I have heard it can improve the picture but is it worth the extra cash....
     
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    No! The standard free cable is absolutely fine. Picture quality won't be improved, no matter how much you spend.

    If you do a search this subject has been done to death on this forum.

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  3. Dubplate

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    lol ok cheers, did a search on hdmi lead and got nearly 500 hits. :oops:
     
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    Like I said, it's been done to death! :D

    Spend the money you might have spent on an "upgraded" cable on something more worthwhile! ... beer? :smashin:

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    yep tested mine with the 50p sky hdmi and a £80 av specalist sourced lead

    no difference at all
     
  6. biggiegc

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    Its only worth going for an expensive cable if you are going to use other sources for it..i.e watching off a blu ray dvd or ps3..then you will see the difference..
     
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    no you wont.

    one lead is the same as any other lead when it comes to HDMI.

    now if you are talking about an analouge lead over a long distance then quality does come into it.

    over short distances though a £3 HDMI will be identical to £50 HDMI lead
     
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    Really? On what basis? :confused:

    Are the digital 1's and 0's from Sky HD different from Blu-ray or PS3?

    IMHO, any HDMI cable that meets the standard (currently 1.3), will function as well as any other, regardless of cost. Assuming of course it's not faulty.

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    Absolutly true,the Sky supplied cable is fine :smashin:

    Different matter when using component where an upgrade is worthwhile paying extra.

    Ron
     
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    I would say if you are going to run a long cable then quality will matter as the signal will deteriorate with cheap cable and you will start losing information causing sparkles and picture loss. But over short runs cheap is fine, you either get the "1s" and "0s" or you dont.
     
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    If a cable is made to the HDMI standard and it's not faulty, then length or price isn't relevant. If it causes sparklies and picture loss then it doesn't meet the standard or it's faulty. ;)

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    There is no standard for cable length in the HDMI specs, so a 15M cable may not work with a weak source, but it is not necessarly faulty and may meet the 1.3 standard, and it may work fine with a stronger signal. I am in the business and trust me the quality of cable on longer runs is critical.

    You are more likely to get bit errors in cheaper cable, especially over long distances with a weak signal, this is what causes sparkles and picture loss.
     
  13. Bachstrad

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    So if that is the case then the cable either isn't made to the standard or it's faulty! The price has nothing to do with it! Quality is a different matter and is not always governed by price either, especially where digital cables are concerned.

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    I agree with you all here; I should have probably re-phrased, its not how expensive its the quality, noting that some better quality cables will cost a lil more than your bog standard ones...:oops:
     
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    Then I would complain to the vendor of the "weak source".
    The HDMI standard states the voltages that should be supplied.
    If a "weak source" isn't providing that, then why should anyone have to buy an expensive cable to compensate?
     
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    I think what somebody said early is true, it isnt necessarily the price of the cable but the quality that is important, but until you buy you do not really know how good the cable is.

    On the question of weak sources I would say if somebody is trying to send an HDMI signal 15M then they have no real comeback against a vendor as this is a long run for HDMI and the vendor could quite rightly point their finger at the cable.

    What I was trying to point out in my original argument, and maybe I did not word it correclty, was that for short runs I would always but a cheap cable as I have never heard of people having problems with short cables. If you are going for longer runs the quality (maybe not the cost) can, and often does, cause issues.

    I would always recommend HDMI CAT5 baluns for runs 15M+, they only cost a bit more than long HDMI cables and they will definately work.
     
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    Slightly diverging here, still relevent though!

    What about HDMI + Different Bandwidth speeds?!?!

    I understand that say, a DVD upscaler will transmit a slower "speed" than say a blu-ray/HD DVD player.

    Are ALL HDMI leads compatible with ALL speeds?

    I see argos are selling monster HDMI cables, these are hellishly priced and I will not be getting one BUT, they sell them regarding price+speed.

    Is this all a scam? Can ALL hdmi leads do the same thing?
     
  19. Bachstrad

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    HDMI 1.3 is the latest standard in the market. HDMI leads made to that standard will handle everything the Standard demands.

    Unless of course 1080p 1's & 0's are different to any others! :D

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    This is the wikepedia take on HDMI cables. Not all cables are made equal but there are minimum performace standards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
     
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    Exactly! The HDMI specification does not define a maximum cable length but instead specifies a minimum performance standard. Any cable meeting that specification is compliant whether it is 15cm or 15m long. Conversely any cable that does not meet the specification cannot be described as an HDMI cable & is simply not fit for purpose again whether 15cm or 15m long.
     
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    Yes, you will!

    As you say, it has been done to death.

    I would point you to the extensive report (and interview) with Noel Lee. Albeit he IS Mr Monster Cable.

    A more independant report, using research by Professor Malcolm Hawkesford can also be found. All in recent issues of Hi Fi News.

    That said, as with an audio maxim that goes back eons. If you can't tell the difference, don't bother.

    I can't with HDMI, so I stay with cheap.

    Are all 1's and 0's the same? Depends on how they are transmitted. I can easily tell the difference between audio transmitted via optical and co-axial into my Meridian DAC.

    Remember there are ten types of people in this world when it comes to binary digital audio.

    Those who can tell the difference and those who can't.




    Sorry. I'll get me coat.
     
  23. Henryslater

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    Are all 1's and 0's the same? Depends on how they are transmitted. I can easily tell the difference between audio transmitted via optical and co-axial into my Meridian DAC.


    Wow - you must be like Keanu in the Matrix, all those 1's and 0' dripping before your eyes.....

    Has it occured that one input is not as good as another? Or is that what you meant to say? :devil:
     
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    Well sort of.

    But if all 1's and 0's are the same it shouldn't matter. ergo a 1.50 HDMI should perform the same as a £150 one. Or is that not the point? That one can be better than the other.

    Glad you used the :devil: BTW. I enjoy a good debate.
     
  25. Olias

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    If all the above is true (and I'm sure it is).....what's all this stuff about different speeds.... 750 whatsits per thingumy against faster cables...

    The sales guy at Empire was spouting how for Blueray I'd need at least a 1000 whatsits per thingumy for the data rate....

    Or something....

    Is this just a rip off?
     
  26. Bachstrad

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    Yes! :)

    ATB

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    interesting subject,

    i nearly fell for it a while back and was going to buy a £50 hdmi lead but decided against it. if you look in what hifi? this month there is a page of rated hdmi cables, some handle colour better, some handle motion better. can they be wrong?

    i think they are being payed to say that personally.
     
  28. Bachstrad

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    Do they hand out travel sickness pills to the 1's & 0's? :D

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    One of the main reasons I don't buy av mags anymore especially that one. If they actually proved what they were saying with pictures or data, fair enough but just printing a load of flowery jargon to say that one cable is better than the other is absolute tosh. I keep meaning to join their forums and give them my tuppence worth on such subjects but I know I wouldn't last long.....
     

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