Upgrade advice from Denon 2809.

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  1. Ricky27

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    Hi
    Had the denon 2809 for a good few years and have really enjoyed it in that time,
    I'm running a 7.1 system and although I really enjoy the denon its getting a bit long in the tooth now and can't deal with 4K etc.

    I've always found the 2809 to be very accurate and neutral in sound character , but I wonder if the new denons have improved their sound, or indeed if a Yamaha would be a worthy upgrade , no just in features but in surround sound quality.
    I'm looking at either the new RXA870 but may be able to up my budget to the RXA1070.
    I had a Yamaha years ago and recently set one up for a friend and the Yamaha does sound more existing and lively .

    Any advice and recommendations welcome please.
    Looking quickly tonight and it seems the 1070 can be had for around £1000 at the moment.
     
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    Bump for some advice .
     
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    I have a Yamaha RX-A810 in a second room, and a Marantz SR7011 in my main room. The Yamaha is well built and has a nice tonal quality, but I find it not able to run full range speakers in a medium sized room very well. It does do a good job in a small room, with small speakers though.

    Over the last 10 years, power supplies in AVR's have shrunk a little, as the chassis space is being used for different features, and more amp channels. To match your Denon 2809, you might have to think about going up the Yamaha models to the 2070 or 3070, or add power amps. However, there is an issue with pre-out voltages on Yamaha being a bit on the low side.

    If you want to stick to the Denon and Marantz models, the current bargain of the moment (if there is still stock) is the outgoing Marantz SR7011 model at £850, originally a £1500 AVR that is reduced as the replacement SR7012 is now available.
     
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    Thanks , must admit I'm torn between the marantz 7011 and the Yamaha 1070 now, I'm definItely looking for a more punchy and bigger sound than my denon 2809 offers as I find it a bit too neutral and laid back.
    My concern is the marantz Will be similar to my denon.
     
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    Aren't Marantz and Denon pretty much the same nowadays?

    I've come back to a Yamaha receiver after a stint with Onkyo and I couldn't be happier. The sound is powerful, dynamic, and hugely aggressive when it wants to be, yet delicate and refined when needed.
     
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    I'm leaning more towards the Yamaha but can only go to the 1070 .
    Denon and marantz are sister companies owned by the same parent company I believe.
    When a piece of kit that was £1500 is being knocked out for £850 it makes me wonder about the true value of it.
     
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    I believe the 2070 and 3070 have better DACs than the 1070, so if you can scrimp the extra £300 for the 20, it'd be worthwhile. But the 10 is still a fantastic unit :)
     
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    Id love to but the budget wont stretch any further!
     
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    Never mind. The 1070 would get my vote then :) Yamaha's exemplary reliability record is also something that a lot of people overlook.
     
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    That's true , I think I'm sold on a Yamaha mate.
     
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    I went from a Denon 6300, that was faulty, to a Marantz SR7011 and found the sound quality more or less the same for movies, but the Marantz better for music.

    I am sure you will be happy with either, so if you fancy a change to a Yamaha, go for it! Maybe check the sellers return policy, just in case.

    One thing in favour of the Marantz is Audyssey, and the app. This allows you to tinker a lot with custom curves, and limiting the frequencies and speakers that the room correction is applied to.
     
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    Personally I am against applying EQ to full range speakers and I am happy to tweak levels and distances using an SPL meter so the room correction stuff didn’t faze me
     
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    Thanks very much for the opinions.
    My denon has multi point audyssey and every time I've given it a go the sound wasn't as good as my own tweaks, after the audyessy calibration it sounded muddy and far too much bass.
    I think I'd of favoured the marantz if I'd be using it for music too, but I have a Cambridge audio stereo amp for music(hooked into front pre outs for surround).
    Therefore the Yamaha will be 100% used movies and TV.
     
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    Yes, I am not a fan of room correction either, and hadn't used it until this (oh, last) year. It does do good things to the bass in my room, so I limit the correction to just the lower frequencies.
     

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