Question Underwhelmed by LED display quality esp skin tones

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  1. RayP

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    Every few months I visit my local John Lewis store and check out the latest TVs. Whilst the PQ can look very good with some images (landscapes, sport, natural history) as soon as the screen shows a human face I become disillusioned. Nothing it seems can show it as well as my 10 year-old Panasonic TH-42PH9 plasma.

    For the uninitiated this was a hugely popular display on this forum back in the mid 2000s. It is a professional display rather than a TV. So no tuner or speakers and very limited inputs. But after having it professionally calibrated by Gordon (still here I hope) the PQ was outstanding even though the display was only 1024 x 768. So HD but not Full HD.

    I'm sure there are many here who have changed from a plasma display so my question is directed at them. What type of display do you now have and are you pleased with it.

    I would be prepared to pay the excess for OLED but sadly my room cannot take a 55" screen. 50" is the limit and OLED is not made at that size. I sit around 8ft from the screen and watch mainly TV, Sky Sports and Movies and occasionally my ancient collection of DVDs through an Arcam DV79 player.

    Sound is handled by a Yamaha RX-A3010 and B&W CM2 & CMC speakers plus small surrounds and a BK XLS 400 subwoofer. TV sound is not too important.

    What display would best suit my needs?
     
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    Probably at that size the best LCD TV you can get is the Samsung KS8000 but there are a lot of differences between plasma and LCD tech, many of which plasma users, or previous plasma users find disappointing. Common differences people notice are worse motion processing, worse black levels and worse upscaling, the latter especially the case for those watching a lot of standard definition content on a UHD tv.

    A lot of people come on here asking which tv they should buy, most of which still watch SD content like freeview SD or DVD's still, not dissimilar to yourself and I find it very hard to reccomend any TV's today apart from older Plasmas or LCDs perhaps one or two years ago when manufactures were still making quality non UHD TV's. The problem is you don't really want to go UHD if you still watch SD content and you don't want to go HD now since there are no quality HD tv's made anymore. For that you need to go back a few years.

    I think for SD content you won't beat your professional display at all. To perhaps notice an improvement on a UHD you would need to feed them with at least a =>720p resolution and even then, you might not like the reproduction of blacks or motion compared.

    My advice to anyone apart from what I already mentioned would be if they did want to buy a new TV now, take some of your own content to a HIFI store for a demo such as richer sounds, you will get a good idea of what to expect and you can then be in a better place to make a decision compared to the pictures they reel to demonstrate tv's in the showroom.
     
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    I myself have a TH-42PH10 which I bought about 9 years ago , had it calibrated twice by Gordon and been very pleased with especially with the skin tones and texture.They look natural whereas with LCDs, they tend to look plasticky.Having said that I am now considering whether its time for a change as the one thing I find rather irritating about plasmas is the glare i get from a window, bifold doors and roof lantern.At a particular time of the day it becomes unwatchable,therefore I have to juggle in my mind whether it is worth taking the plunge now and if so which option to take .Oled would seem the obvious choice but at £2.7k for a 55" flat screen, my reaction is "you are having a laugh". I dont like curved screens either so the only other options would be Full HD LCD or ,maybe , one of the premium 4K HDR sets as in Samsumg 49" KS7000(£1.2K).Then again I mostly watch the terrestrial tv channels so as far as the latter of the two is concerned it would have to have very good upscaling.
    To be frank I would be inclined to wait until the BeeB sees fit to start broadcasting in 4k/HDR,but it could be a long wait :)
     
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    You confirm my worst fears. Older technology outperforms current in all but number of pixels and power consumption! I do watch a lot of HD broadcasts via Sky. Only SD viewing is occasional UK Gold stuff or my DVDs. Gladiator still looked pretty good the other night.

    Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I do watch HD TV content via Sky. I've decided my room size precludes 4K so I'm happy to limit myself to HD only. 50" and a flat display is my preferred option.

    Thanks. I would also need a Blu Ray player that excels in upscaling DVDs. I've looked at Oppo all the way down to Panasonic and there doesn't appear to be much of a muchness in them despite big price differences. Things would be so much simpler if there was a 50" OLED but it looks like they only start at 55".
     
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    it says UHD but its FHD
     
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    Sounds like we both have the same opinion of LED TVs. :) Physically a 55" OLED would fit on the wall. I'm just concerned that I would be sitting too close to it. 42" SD and 8ft is just about spot on. 8ft is also good for 50" HD.
     
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    You might be surprised about what is considered too close.

    So ideal viewing distance for a 55" is 88" (roughly 2.2m).

    TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science

    Of course whether it is too domineering on the wall is down to your individual taste.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    im in a similar situation got a 42 inch plasma looking to upgrade to a 55 inch and having seen led tv's and oleds id go for the lg oled if i was you I'm just waiting and saving for the price to drop .
     
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    Thanks Nigel. I used the same calculator to determine 50" at 8ft was ideal. It's also good for 55" but as you say, size could be a concern. Up scaled DVDs also an issue although I would look to buy favourite ones on BR.
     
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    It's the long-term viability of OLED that I'm a little concerned about. Production is still expensive and shows no real signs of becoming as easy as LED or plasma. PQ still the dog's wotsits though. :thumbsup:
     
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    viewed in shops like currys etc and oled looks the most plasma like to me if i could find an 55 inch led tv that would give me as good a picture as my plasma id buy one today but up to now haven't had much luck and had loads of advice from guys on the forum .
     
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    I think I'm just going to have to be patient and wait for the technology to improve.

    I did say 10 years ago that I would go straight to OLED from plasma rather than the terrible LCD screens we had then but it's taking an awful long time. I suppose that shows how difficult it is to build them for the mass market. At least my PH9 is still going strong!
     
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    All i can suggest is that you view one ,preferably from a sitting position and spend some time doing so. 5" difference doesn't sound a lot but then again I watch my Ph10 from about 11 feet.
    As for LCds,Ii am not against them as I have two small ones but upscaling concerns me as are all the issues associated with them.One thing, I don't think reviews or other people's experiences can ever replace one's own .By that I mean i need to go for a proper dem before taking the plunge. That's is what i did with this PH10 at Kent home cinema.I would like to dem a Loewe as I feel they may well have excellent processing . Thye are also set to release an Oled next year but the price will be of the o_O
     
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    5" diagonal can be significant. 8339 cm2 versus 6892. I have no immediate plans to change but wanted to get a feel for the latest developments. I will certainly have in-store demos before making a decision.

    But I also place a lot of trust in the people here. I would never have known about my Panasonic plasma unless I had read about it here. With so many praising its qualities I knew it was a safe purchase. I have never regretted it and still admire its PQ.

    Loewe are top notch but so expensive even John Lewis don't stock them! :D
     
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    What are the external dimensions of your TH-42PH9? This would provide a better idea of the modern equivalent model to suit your available space.

    For example, the external dimensions of my 37" Panasonic plasma are near identical to a Samsung 49" KS8000, or, my preferred choice, a 48" Loewe Art - both available at a similar price point.

    I strongly suggest you go out of your way to find a Loewe dealer: you'll be very pleasantly surprised.
     
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    I've come to the conclusion I need a 50" OLED with a res of 1920*1080. No need for more pixels. Surely that would be easier to build than a larger one with more pixels. Maybe they could just use some scissors to reduce a 55" to 50" and the pixel count would reduce naturally. :)
     
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    1018mm x 610mm. Very similar to the dimensions of a 50" LED.

    I'll do some research on t'internet. Just disappointed they don't have kit in mainstream outlets. Reminds me of Sony Trinitron TVs back in the 70s and 80s. Considered themselves elitist. Eventually had to relent to get the sales.
     
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    If you're keeping it for several years, it's worth the effort of visiting a specialist dealer.
     
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    It's not the make I'm challenging but the number of pixels. Can't see the point of more than Full HD in my modest lounge. I don't have a screen big enough to justify 4K and £25 per DVD is too much. Even very limited 4K broadcasts at present require extra subs and different kit. I give Sky enough money already!
     
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    yes of course as do I. What the comments did was encourage me to go for a demo at a shop which is a good 1 1/2 hour away .
    As for Loewe well its hard enough finding a shop these days that stock them just as it was for the PH10.Their Oled is set to retail for over 4k :eek:
     
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    I dont think anyone would disagree with you Ray but you have a choice.Either stick with the PH9 which seems the most likely option or buy a full HD Oled which is 55". Other than its a matter of a decent LCD like the Loewe spinaltap suggested.The brand has a very reputation so as he suggested it might be worth the effort to go for a demo .Your and my plasma will probably start dimming before too long anyway
     
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    When in doubt do now't. ;) My post was really to test the waters and gauge opinion on what would be a good replacement for my PH9. It would be interesting to see how Loewe compares to Samsung etc. I won't rule out a trip to Manchester but I feel even if I did buy a LCD I would regret it as soon as a 50" OLED came out. Wasn't it only last year the smallest OLED you could get was 65"? 50" may be closer than we think. Say's he hopefully.

    No signs of dimming yet - thank God!
     
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    It seems to me your post confirmed in your own mind what you intended to do in the first place :) . If you are happy with the plasma then stick with it .I will do the same for the time being as the only issue I have with it is glare at particular times of the day.Mind you temptation always lurks in the back of my mind but I hate to regret making bad choices particularly if my wife then moans about it
     
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    lgs,

    You've probably heard of "buy in haste, repent in leisure"! :) I don't have another half so that does make any decision-making a bit easier. I suspect I'll have to make a decision as soon as the PH9 develops a fault but its simplicity makes it really reliable. I shall keep an eye on these forums and see what new kit is available. Fortunately nothing at present makes me want to switch.

    With the days shortening your light problem should become less of an issue.
     
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    I changed from a 42px80 to a 50gt50 a few years ago and the difference was very noticeable.

    Have you considered trying to pick up a second hand plasma like the GT50?

    I understand your issue though, short of the expensive Oleds I haven't seen a tv that I would consider swapping my plasma for.
     

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