Ultra wide lens for crop body (Canon 500D)

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  1. FlyingShrapnel

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    Afte feeling being limited on how wide I can go by my kit lens/17-85mm (not much difference anyway :laugh: ) I want to get an ultra wide lens for my 500D mainly for work, shooting in clubs/bars under lowlight and tight space. So I want to go as WIDE as possible :D

    Candidates:
    • Tokina 11-16 F2.8
    • Tokina 12-24 F4
    • Tokina 12-28 F4
    • Canon 10-22 F3.5-4.5
    • Sigma 8-16 f4.5-5.6 (Poor AF performance according to KR, can anyone shed some light?)
    Any more recommendations?

    In summary my wishlist is (most of it is the usual stuff :D) :
    • As wide as possible for crop body
    • AF accuracy
    • AF speed
    • Low distortion
    • Sharpness
    • Reliability
    • Wide aperture (though not that important, regularly shoot at around f5 anyway)

    Discounted lenses
    • Lens | Reason for discounting it
    • Sigma 10-22 | KR doesnt like it, and I trust him :p
    • Tamron 10-24 | Poor optics performance per KR review
    • Samyang 8mm | Full manual prime lens

    Thanks all :thumbsup:
    Kyle
     
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    if you do not need a zoom have a look at the Samyang 8mm, Ken Rockwell has a very good review on this. Of the list above most reviews tend to recommned the Canon 10-22 or the Tokina 11-16 (if you need the f2.8). The only other comment is that these lenses will only work on a crop so if you are looking to move onto full frame then they will not work.

    Sorry can't help more as I don't have or use any of these.
     
  3. FlyingShrapnel

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    had a quick look at the samyang and I would prefer an auto focus lens, and more importantly it lacks auto diaphragm. I have to focus a lot in the dark so AF accuracy and speed are quite high on the list

    I am not too worried about full frame compatibility. I will need to sell my other lenses should I make the jump to FF when I upgrade anyways

    thanks though :)
     
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    Sigma 10-20mm is a very nice good value UWA IMO - not used any of the others :)
     
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    If you are doing club/low light work, go with the Tokina 11-16 - superb build quality, the zoom is 'longer' than you think it might be so will help framing in a busy environment, it's f2.8, is quick to focus, and is sharp even wide open (and only gets better into the corners if you stop down) :)


    I love mine, it's one of my favourite lenses!
     
  6. FlyingShrapnel

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    thanks, seems like it might be a Tokina then. Now i just need to wait till pay day :laugh:
     
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    thanks, its been brought up previously but as I said, i would prefer an auto focus lens. shooting on manual focus (before i had a flash with focus assist) is a right pain in near darkness in clubs/bars, not to mention often i miss shots cos the focus wasnt right :facepalm:
     
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    Though it is very easy to do it manually with such a UWA.
    Set it to F8, set the distance to 3m and basically everything will be in focus. That is how I took all my photos in my set.
     
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    yes I appreciate that, but in a low light situation like a bar/club, I cant stop it down to F8, i need around F5.0 to capture the ambient light as well as keeping the people in focus. and I dont have the luxury of space either, 3m is pretty tough to get, and people would regularly walk between me and the subjects as of now, because I am struggling with an 18-55 which is not wide enough.

    Lovely photos in your set and I can see it is indeed as you say, sharp all round, but its not what I am looking for :)
     
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    Maybe not rule it out - check the figures....

    Online Depth of Field Calculator

    Even at F5 when set to 3 metres focus is as below

    Subject distance 3 m

    Depth of field
    Near limit 0.55 m
    Far limit Infinity
    Total Infinite
    In front of subject 2.5 m
    Behind subject Infinite
    Hyperfocal distance 0.68 m
    Circle of confusion 0.019 mm
     
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    Not that it helps with your 500D, but I have recently got a EOS-M and just got the new EF-M 11-22mm F/4 that has the advantage of IS which would be great I imagine in low ambient light situations you are working in. Very sharp too (though it only arrived this morning and I just took a few test shots at lunchtime).

    An amazingly small package.
    [​IMG]
    On the negative side though, the EOS-M isn't the best at focusing in low light, (though it has a focus assist lamp which kicks in and solves that)
     
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    And manual focusing is pretty easy when you have simple focus markings on the focus ring. As long as you can judge distance, it is pretty straight forward.

    I will do some test shots tonight in the dark and show you what sort of DoF you can expect at say F4
     
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    I stand corrected, i can certainly work with that hyperfocal distance of 0.68m. and the thing about focusing with a preset aperture, at the moment I am using the kit lens which means I am looking through somewhere around f4 anyway, so not a massive difference... i will have to rethink this a bit, just not too comfortable with the idea of an entirely manual lens :rolleyes:

    in the mean time I will add it to the OP, thanks loz for bringing it up
     
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    does EF-M lenses work on EF-S bodies? I have focus assist light from my external flash (430ex) so that is not a problem

    EDIT: just found out that EF-M is not compatible with EF-S due to different flange focal distance
     
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    I have a Tokina 12 - 24 - Having tried the 11 - 16 I found the range quiet limiting and would need to keep swapping lens all the time

    12 - 24 works great and have some good shots from this

    Example below

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    DSC_2311 by Paul Whitt82, on Flickr

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    DSC_2634 by Paul Whitt82, on Flickr
     
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    No. Only the other way round. You can get the EF/EF-S adaptor for the EOS-M, but not an EF-M adaptor for an EF-S.

    Anyway, the future is EF-M. EF and EF-S is so last millennium :laugh:
     
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    Same as Whitter45 as for me. The Tokina 12-24 F4 II is my most oft used lens for landscape. I did consider the Tokina 11-16 but preferred the zoom range of the 12-24. 12mm is still fairly wide on a crop sensor. An old sample at 12mm from me ...
    [​IMG]
    Man O'War Bay by simontr, on Flickr
    I've not updated flickr much but having a quick look most of the landscapey ones on there are with the Tokina 12-24.
     
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    Tbh, when it comes to the common UWA lenses there are no real duds. If you have a look on the flickr tags you will find amazing photos from all of them. I went with the Tokina because of the zoom range and the build quality. The Sigma 10-20 is popular but there is hearsay of sample variance so best to buy from a reputable UK shop and the Canon 10-22 is also well regarded.
     
  20. FlyingShrapnel

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    Like the first shot :)

    interesting, throwing one more into the mix :laugh: however the 1mm difference between 11 and 12 means there is around 5 degrees difference in field of view both vertically and horizontally :eek:
     
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    i cant be seen walking around clubs/bars with an EOS-M, nothing against them, i think they are brillaint in terms of size vs performance. however the general public would not consider it a "proper pro" camera ;) :rotfl:
     
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    thanks, another one for the Tokina then (their build quality is mentioned on the internet as well). I will certainly consider the 12-24, but at the moment I am leaning towards the 11-16 because my current mentality is "either dont buy one, or might as well go all out as wide as possible if I do" :D

    at this rate I think i might have to buy both and see which one suits me better :laugh:
     
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    both a very good in terms of build quality - trouble I have is I compare the feel of the tokina to everything else

    I find its very sharp especially stepping down for the corners and never ever experienced the need to want wider but everyone is different

    for the 12 - 24 the DXII is a better lens so I believe
     
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    just to add to the massive choice already, Tokina has a new 12-28 lens out for [-]USD600 which is still within my price range[/-] [-]500GBP :( [/-] £400 on DigitalRev! (my original budget is 300ish.... i swear this always happens :rotfl: )

    this might be the perfect lens for me, its got the wideness, its got the zoom range, its got the reliability, its got the AF accuracy etc..... :D

    KR review here Tokina 12-28mm Review
     
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    looks a good one and not much over the 12 - 24 in terms of price
     
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    In practice I have not felt the need to go wider than 12mm on a Nikon crop. Having said that if I had a 10mm to start with I probably wouldn't have been happy with 'just' the 12mm afterwards! The 11-16 is by all accounts a stellar lens. I'm sure you'd be happy with either; extra wide and short zoom or slightly less wide ultra wide and more zoom, you takes yer pick.
     
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    I just bought that lens for my EOS-M too, really loving this little camera actually.

    Totally get what OP means about other's perceptions though, even my reasonably savvy (god I hope she never reads this!!) missus shuns the EOS-M as it's not a 'real' camera like a DSLR :)

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    Tidied up the first post a bit for others who would like to join in the conversation :) I realise I am being rather picky here :blush: this is because I need a lens for low light work in tight spaces, it needs to be reliable in terms of producing images and needs to be tough in case it gets knocked etc. and its a large amount of money to me. At the moment I am leaning towards the Tokina 12-28 F4 for the extra range it has on the Tokina 11-16, and now I just need to wait till pay day :facepalm::devil:

    Summed my dilemma up in one go there, thanks :)
    The need to look the part during work ;):laugh:
     
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    If you want to go as wide as possible get the Sigma 8-16mm :)

    Just noticed your spoiler bit but most reviews I've seen say it's a good lens.
     
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    Yh it was my first thought because I want to go all out wide. But then it didn't look very good from Ken Rockwell, particularly in the focusing bit so I discounted it
     

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