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Ultimate Gaming machine for £1000 ?

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  1. monkeyleader

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    In the next few months Im going for a new system build and have started looking around at whats what. On the way into work this morning I was thinkng about how much I could afford - the thought then crossed my mind "wonder what ultimate gaming machine you could buy with say £1000"

    With this in mind Id like to throw it open to the group .. if you had £1000 what machine would you build - considering its going to be used for games .. Dont worry about the screen ... just the actual computer - but you only have £1000 to spend .... do you go Pentium or AMD, IDE or SCSI, GeForce or ATI ... hmmmm get your thinking caps on ...

    cheers,

    Nige
     
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    For £1000 you could buy an XBox, Gamecube, PS2, GBA and loads of games..... :p
     
  3. monkeyleader

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    :D already have that lot - now want a kickass PC
     
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    At that price point it would have to be AMD.

    I have used Komplett for my prices, you can get slightly lower on some components if you hunt around!

    Case : Chieftec Matrix Midi + 360W PSU - 65
    Motherboard : Asus A7N8X Rev 2 - 81
    CPU : AMD 2600 (Barton) - 71
    Graphics : Crucial 9800 Pro - 278
    Sound : Nvidia Soundstorm (onboard) - 0
    Hard Disk - Seagate Barracuda (IDE, 8mb) - 100
    Memory - 2xTwinmos 512 CL2 PC3200 - 170
    CD/DVD - Asus DVD-r/CD-R - 120 (had to get this from scan)

    This takes you to around 900 quid, that leaves some left over for sundries like coolers and maybe mouse and keyboard.

    You could skimp on some areas, however these days you are looking at not skimping on motherboard, memory and graphics card. You can skimp a little on the CPU as most games are not CPU intensive.

    My stab at it anyway :)
     
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    Hi,

    How about one of these two systems: one's an AMD system and the others an Intel. Given the choice I would probably go Intel (even though the the AMD system is slightly faster). Since you intend to play games on them, I'd say the video card, processor and memory are the most important in that order. However, since you specifically stated a budget of £1000, I couldn't include any more RAM. Ideally 1024MB would be nice - especially in games like UT2003 and BF1942 (not to mention in upcoming games such as HL2 and Doom III). But you can always get that later...

    Anyway, here are the specs. All prices are taken from Overclockers.co.uk (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/) except the memory and video card (they're prices quoted directly from Crucial: http://www.crucial.com/uk). However, I know if you shop around you can certainly get some of these components cheaper!


    Case: Chieftec Dragon DX-01SLD Midi Tower (including 360W Power Supply)……82.13

    Motherboard: Asus P4P800 Deluxe "Springdale" (Socket 478) Motherboard……106.87

    Processor: Intel Pentium 4 'Northwood' 2.8CGHz (800FSB) with HT Technology - Retail……219.73

    Heatsink / Fan: Retail……0

    Memory: Crucial 512MB DDR PC3200……63.44

    Hard Disk Drive: Western Digital Caviar 120GB Special Edition 8MB Cache Serial ATA - OEM……93.94

    Floppy Drive: Teac 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive - OEM……9.87

    DVD-ROM: Pioneer DVD-120 Tray Load - OEM……25.26

    CD-RW: Liteon LTR-52327S 52x/32x/52x CD-ReWriter - Retail……30.79

    Video Card: 128MB Crucial Radeon 9800 Pro……260.84

    Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 THX - Retail……85.07

    Communications: On-board……0

    Total: £977.94



    Case: Chieftec Dragon DX-01SLD Midi Tower (including 360W Power Supply) 82.13

    Motherboard: Asus A7N8X Deluxe nForce2……84.48

    Processor: AMD Athlon "Barton" XP3200+ 400FSB (Socket A) CPU - OEM……234.94

    Heatsink: Akasa Silver Mountain 2Q CPU Cooler (Socket A) ……24.68

    Memory: Crucial 512MB DDR PC3200……63.44

    Hard Disk Drive: Western Digital Caviar 120GB Special Edition 8MB Cache Serial ATA - OEM……93.94

    Floppy Drive: Teac 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive - OEM……9.87

    DVD-ROM: Pioneer DVD-120 Tray Load - OEM……25.26

    CD-RW: Liteon LTR-52327S 52x/32x/52x CD-ReWriter - Retail……30.79

    Video Card: 128MB Crucial Radeon 9800 Pro……260.84

    Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 THX - Retail……85.07

    Communications: On-board……0

    Total: £995.44


    I hope this gives you some ideas. Make sure you report back with what you finally decide! :)

    Alex
     
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    i wouldn't get the AMD Opteron processors just yet, as they are very expensive. Although i've seen a nice dual opteron motherboard for £300 :) that holds 6 gig of ram. Definately a "future-proof" motherboard (well at least until 2006 or so).
     
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    If you decide to go intel, you are probably better off buying a 2.4C chip as these seem to easily overclock to 3GHz (providing your motherboard & memory is up to the job), alot cheaper than the higher speed intel chips too :)

    Realistically if you want the ultimate gaming PC you will be paying more than 1K, as the latest GFX cards are £400 :eek:
     
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    My mock-up customised Extreme came out at $26,000!!! Who is going to buy one of those? Add that to a 92" Grand Canyon display and you're looking at nearly $44,000! Do they sell any of these, anyone know?
     
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    lol. I’m not sure whether that’s within my credit card limit. Hang on, I’ll have to check… ;) :p
     
  13. Miyazaki

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    everything on there is good apart from the processor.

    How about dual opeterons??

    2.2 gig/ hz at 64bits x 2 = 8.8 g/hz processor :D :grin
    : and thats AMD so the intel equivilent would probably be a 10 g/hz processor
     
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    I can't work out if the grin smiley is because you are being sarcastic, or whether you really think that a 64 bit processor is double the speed of a 32 bit processor. Which, erm, it isn't...
     
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    of course it's not squiffy

    I was exaggerating the way the actual speed in g/hz is not the same as intel ie a 2 gig amd processor is more like a 2.5 gig intel.
     
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    the "ultimate" gaming rig would be an overclocked rig, NOT a stock rig.

    xp2500+
    2x512mb pc3200
    abit nf7-s v2 (THE best socket a board ever made, not the asus a7n8x)
    9800xt


    things like hdd and so on arnt as inportant, but i can garuntee that a barton 2500+ @2.3gh or better, with an fsb of 220mhz+ in dual channel will destroy ANY stock amd xp setup, and it will be a hell of a lot cheaper aswell.



    the rig in my sig cost less than £650 in total, but its faster than any amd pc suggested so far.
     
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    Forget overclocking - its BS - especially when gaming:

    I'd actually wait until d00m3 or half life 2 is out before commiting because chances are they are going to be another 6 months and things will have moved on, anyway:

    Here is what I'm about to buy, probably from overclockers.co.uk or whoever gets the new shuttle in first:

    DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE COST REMOVE
    Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz (800FSB) with HT Technology - OEM (CP-034-IN)
    £155.00 £155.00
    Corsair 1GB DDR XMS3700PT TwinX (2x512MB) Platinum CAS3 (MY-021-CS)
    £199.90 £199.90
    Asus ATI Radeon 9600XT/TVD 128MB & Half Life 2 Bundle - Retail (GX-020-AS)
    £140.55 £140.55
    Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V 160GB - OEM (HD-009-SE)
    £99.00 £99.00
    Subtotal £950.10
    VAT £166.28
    Total £1,116.38

    also with a Shuttle mini case:

    SB75G2 no price yet but review here: Has onboard +every thing+

    http://www.sfftech.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=447&15831

    and one of these:

    http://www.plextor.be/english/products/PX708A.html

    8 speed DVD writing! :D

    Will come in at about 1400 I think but I won't need to upgrade for atleast 2 years, maybe the video card before then but thats about it.

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  18. james.miller

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    excuse me? BS? prove it:rolleyes: BTW thats a horribly un-matched pc youve suggested there.

    corsair is over-rated and very expensive, and id much soon have an r9800np than a 9600xt.
     
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    don't have too. My view is that you are better to spend the money on top notch components that mess about with settings forever. Overclocking reduces the stability of a lot of games and really isn't worth the hassle.
     
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    then you know nothing about overclocking.

    tell me this:
    my xp1700 is running at 2.4ghz. In fact, it has been for the last 4 months. not one crash. not one bsod AND, in that period, not one game has played up because of overclocking.

    so you tell me, how is that considered unstable?
     
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    James,
    Re the radeon card, you could be right on that if the 9800 comes down in price because of the 9800XT but at the moment I think its overpriced. If you want to get maximum bang for your buck don't buy the latest and greatest, wait a month and then do it, you can save thousands, I know I've spent about 15K on PC upgrades in the last 4 years, Last thing I did was to buy a P4 on the launch day and high spec everything. 2 years later - still using the same machine and now only looking to upgrade.

    Neil.
     
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    i said 9800np - meaning "non-pro". i never said 9800xt.

    you may well have spent thousands, good for you. i havnt, because i never needed to. my pc is faster than what you suggested, and 100% stable. You havnt proved otherwise - instead you just gave me your "opinion". Well, what i said is based on fact and my own experiance.

    At any rate, if you dont belive me, then mabey you'll belive the guys over at www.overclockers.co.uk, or www.overclockers.com.

    If you want benchmarks - ill gladly do anything you like to prove it:)
     
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    id have to dissagree 100%....Moderate overclocking does not decrease the stability of running games if u do it wisely...Increasing teh voltage core and running prime 95 after every overclock ensures rock stable gaming 24/7 and thats without spending £1500 on a system that can be outperformed by a system that cost less than £600....My old system wud have been competition for that system;

    AMD Athlon 1700XP DUT3C @ 2200mhz 1.725Vc 220mhz FSB
    2X256MB PC3200 Twinmos
    Abit NF7-s Rev 2.0
    80Gig Seagate barracuda
    Geforce 4 Ti 4200 WINFAST A250 64MB @ 300/600
    Fully modded side panel case with sound activated Neon + blow hole
    48X CDRW
    16X DVD
    £15 AKASA HSF Blue LED

    3DMark 2001se Default speeds = 9,550 :rolleyes:
    3DMark 2001se Overclocked Stable = 13,500 :eek:
    3DMark 2001se Overclocked for testing = 13,868

    System price tag = £550 Base Unit about 4months ago ;) good luck on beating that :smashin:

    ...gazz
     
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    You aren't listening to me. I don't doubt that overclocking can have advantages, but my response to that is that there are alot of disadvantages also I've tried the overclocking lark and frankly the agro outweighed the real visable benefits. I don't believe benchmarks show a real improvement particularly when playing games, and that the pain of instability or strangeness, notably on high graphics bandwidth type games wasn't worth it. But YMMV feel free to try it out, but my recommendation is not to bother.

    Regards,
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    that'll be handy for all those native 64bit games we see on the shelves :laugh:
     
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    And thats your opinion, I've seen the opposite with overclocking
    and I've seen a number of compatibiilty issues with AMD processors, that was a while ago and I've no doubt that AMD have made improvements.

    BTW haven't had one crash in windows in 4 months?! That must be some kind of record, maybe Microsoft should add Overclocking wizard so that other Windows PC's don't crash :laugh: :) Did you switch you computer on? :)

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    I kind of agree with Neil.

    Overclocking is fine for the hardcore few, but to be honest it is a lot of effort for not always perfect results.

    You only have to visit most overclocking boards and see the amount of people that have fried components due to misguided attempts (I have fried a couple of CPUs playing about with them!).

    That said I do overclock my graphics card, I have had it nearly 18months, and it runs fine (touch wood).

    For most PC users the sensible option is to run stock, I agree that you can significantly impact the lifespan of your components through overclocking. It may sound a little snooty, but I earn enough money to not have to worry about buying budget and clocking it up. My PC is not a ninja rig but performs well enough that I do not feel the need to bump up FSB or multipliers.

    £1000 will get you a very reasonable PC, not an ultimate gaming machine though.
     
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    I'm sure I recall reading that future versions of Unreal Tournament will be enhanced for 64 bit CPUs. Thinking about it, I'm sure that Tim Sweeney (memory - think thats the guys name) has said that UT 2004 will run faster/better on an Athlon 64.
     
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    yeah give it 6 -12 months and there will be plenty of 64 bit software. MS are working on 64bit windows as we speak
     
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    :rolleyes: amd are no less compatible than intel. just like ati are no longer behind nvidia in anything (other than openGL support). winxp has always been very stable for me. like i said only when i push it to far does it crash, but ive left it it these settings and its been totally stable ever since.

    i wish i had that sort of money:eek: But even if i had, i wouldnt put down £1000 on a pc when my pc really is this fast. £400 is a hell of a saving, wether you can afford to blow £100 or not. The fact that its faster, is the icing on the cake:)


    As for visible benifits - well i wouldnt be overclocking at all unless i could see the difference.
     

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