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UK Stockist of InFocus 7200?

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by dogastus, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. dogastus

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    Hi,
    Does anyone know who is stocking the 7200? Also are there any similar projectors I should be considering?

    Nigel.
     
  2. ian_guinan

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    The Toshiba MT8 is an exact clone of the 7200 and is made by Infocus (even takes the same firmware). Available in lots of places; eg. www.ivojo.co.uk.

    Jolly good too I might add!

    Ian Guinan
     
  3. dogastus

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    Thanks, Ian, that has opened up the supplier list somewhat! I'm also heartened by your endorsement of the product.

    Regards,
    Nigel.
     
  4. ian_guinan

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    Glad to be of help.

    The only downside in buying the Toshiba over the Infocus is that the Tosh will probably have a bit of a lag before it receives the latest firmware updates as compared to the 7200. Toshiba UK is still at the stage of denying there is any link between the two projectors whilst folks in the US are quite happily using the Infocus firmware in their MT8s. Despite what Tosh UK might say they are IDENTICAL (bar the MT8 being a pearly white instead of silver). In the UK however Toshiba are a bit more geared up to supplying the home cinema market and can be a fair bit cheaper than Infocus too,

    It is a very fine projector. I have always been a fan of the Sim2 DLP projectors despite their noise. I could not afford a HT300+ yet I think this MT8 is giving me as good a picture within my more modest budget. It is a little fussy about how it is mounted, as without lens offset adjustment it needs to be exactly level and at a fixed offset to the bottom/top of the screen. It is generally quieter than all of the DLP projectors I have so far seen, and is amazingly detailed in the amount of on-screen adjustments that can be made. It has a dazzling array of inputs - from RGB SCART, VGA through DVI, to two sets of component and s-video apiece, and scales all of these beautifully with its onboard Faroudja circuitry.

    It produces a satisfyingly bright, detailed and vibrant image with good contrast and blacks and no screen door at 1.5 times screen diameter. I'm currently merely projecting it onto my wall whilst I'm shopping for a screen and I'm having great fun with 2.5m wide pictures larger than I'd risk with many other projectors.

    It'd be well worth your while seeing one if you can.

    Regards,
    Ian Guinan
     
  5. dogastus

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    Hi again, Ian.
    Your comments again have been very useful. I did see the InFocus version at the A/V show this Saturday which is what got me interested in it. Regarding the firmware updates, can these be downloaded from a website?

    Best regards,
    Nigel.
     
  6. ian_guinan

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    Infocus firmware is at the website www.infocushome.com

    Look under 'support'

    Lots of other useful stuff too there.

    Ian Guinan
     
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    ian,

    Have you had/read confirmation that Infocus 7200 firmware can be used in the tosh MT8 ?

    I understand there's v2.9 for the Infocus available.
    (still waiting for my pj, its been held up by screen choice at the moment)

    n.
     
  8. dogastus

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    Any comments on how the NEC HT1000 compares? I know the spec is a bit different like it's 4:3 resulting in slightly lower resolution. It's getting good comments on the American forum and is almost half the price!

    Nigel.
     
  9. ian_guinan

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    The guy in the US who is using 2.9 on his Tosh MT8 is detailed here;

    Movie Bear and his MT8 with Infocus software

    I haven't seen a HT1000 but was put of by the issues reported with tearing on PAL sources, and a trusted review fro a friend who was not too impressed with the colour rendition.

    Lots of favourable US comment though...

    Regards,
    Ian Guinan
     
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    Ian,
    So you're having me spend all my hard earned cash! It is always tricky deciding especially when one's so reliant on other people's opinions. I must admit I was impressed with the 7200 when I saw it. The NEC did seem a bit more flexible with it's two axis trapezoidal adjustment, but first and foremost I want a good picture. Out of interest, what video do you feed yours with? Also I would be interested to know what screens you are considering.

    Best regards,
    Nigel.
     
  11. ian_guinan

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    Thats a good question!
    I'm experimenting as we speak, but so far;

    -s-video for Sky+, gives a surprisingly good picture due to the Faroudja scaling (apart from glowing red chroma bug buts thats another story).

    -component video from Denon DVD-3800 (or at least it was until Parcelforce manged to LOSE it whilst it was on its way back to Germany for a laser upgrade..again another story). Excellent artifact free picture. Runs equally well in either interlaced or progressive...personally I slightly prefer the appearance of the interlaced input picture.

    -HTPC via HD15/VGA connector from a Radeon 7500. The scaling is so good in this projector that the PC is not quite the night and day improvement over component.

    Still to try DVI...could be good but haven't got my head around the whole DVI cable thing..and haven't given the RGB Scart dongle input a go.

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    How you spend your cash is between you, your conscience and any partners input too ;)

    Re:screens.
    I've blown my budget on the projector so at this stage am resisting the excesses of Stewart screens..Infocus recommend the Firehawk for the 7200/MT8. At £2.5 to 3K that would probably end up in divorce at the moment so I'm going for a simpler white screen from www.direkt2u.co.uk

    Again, hope this helps.

    Regards,
    Ian Guinan
     
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    Thanks for all the useful info, Ian. I find the concept of paying £2.5-3K for a screen pretty scary! I am still deliberating between the 7200/MT8 and the HT1000, but hope to make my mind up soon!

    Regarding interlaced vs progressive, I guess what you are doing is switching between de-interlacing in the DVD player and de-interlacing in the projector. In that case I'm not surprised that the Farouja gives you good results with their reputation. In a much earlier time I designed a de-interlacer and am therefore well aware of the problems and compromises regarding producing a decent algorithm.

    Best regards,
    Nigel.
     
  13. ian_guinan

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    If you are in the know re. deinterlacing its always puzzled me as to whether it is better to deinterlace in the player and then send it as analogue to the projector, or send analogue to the projector and then de-interlace it?

    Gut feeling would have said that it might be better to deinterlace in the digital domain first, but my experience seems to be that the projector end is doing a better job. I guess I'm seeing the difference between Silicon Image Sil504 and Faroudja deinterlacing and preferring the Faroudja version?

    Hope you make the right choice for you.

    Just out of interest which DVD player are you hoping to use with your projector?

    Regards,

    Ian Guinan
     
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    The deinterlacers I designed were for Anna Valley Electronics, they specialised in renting and selling video projectors. They were called the Hiline and Hiline2. They had composite or RGB inputs and RGB outputs. This was quite a few years ago when practically no-one had projectors at home. The tricky thing was making a reliable movement detector so that you changed the vertical interpolation algorithm on the fly. This was so that moving parts of the image didn't suffer from the alternate line combing effect whilst the static parts benefitted from full 2 field vertical resolution.

    I don't know much about the internals of modern projectors, but I would imagine that it is preferable to de-interlace in the projector because then the output side of the de-interlacer feeds the image array directly, so there are no re-clocking synchronisation problems. It also means that the de-interlacer can be part of the scaler. Also you have the advantage, in this case, of the Farouja chips which I think work very well. I've always been impressed with their high end stuff. I've seen a demo where they have downconverted a high def signal to PAL, re-upconverted it and fed it to a high def display and it really looked very close to hi def quality.

    Regarding DVD player, well I've had a Pioneer DV530 which has given me good service for a number of years, just feeding RGB into my Nokia 28" widescreen TV. I will probably try things with that first. I also need to sort out the audio side as I only have a stereo amp and speakers right now. I'm more or less starting this home cinema stuff from scratch. There are too many choices, I'm having an equally hard time over which AV amp to go for, might be the Denon 3203.

    Regards,
    Nigel.
     
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    Welcome to the next stage of a very interesting and expensive journey!

    The Denon 3803 looks as if it could be a great partner to an MT8 with the way it converts all the video inputs into component. 3 wires only into the projector (plus power) could be a godsend, and I have been told by those who've seen it, it does the conversion very succesfully (even taming chroma bug in some inputs). I have the older 3801 and it is one of the best AV investments I've yet made..the 3803 is tempting me to consider a change.

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    Well I'll definitely be up for a borrow of your 3803 when you get it Ian.

    Cheers

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    dogastus

    You may also want to factor in warranty cover when deciding between the In Focus Screenplay 7200 and the Toshiba TDP-MT8 - I'm sure my Feb price list now has the MT8 with a longer warranty (3 years from memory).

    And of course the Denon AVR-3803 also includes audio delay on the video inputs!

    Best regards

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    Thanks for the comments, Joe. After much deliberating I have decided to go for the NEC HT1000 as it almost half the price of the others, it too has a 3 year warranty.

    Yes, one of the reasons for considering the 3803 was the audio delay function. I'm surprised I don't see this facility in evidence on the majority of A/V receivers. I don't know how much video delay there is on projectors, but it's nice to have a tweak available if necessary.

    Best regards,
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    The NEC HT1000 does indeed look great valve for money (on paper) - I'm still awaiting a demo unit to arrive form the UK distributor (no flight cases as yet).

    The MT8 produces a great image - I'm surprised if you have the budget that the true 16:9 panel on the MT8 didn't push you in that direction!

    I think well see more and more integrated AV amps and receivers with audio delay built in - in the meantime we have now started supplying a fairly low cost (£130) two channel 24 bit delay unit from Behringer to customers suffering lip sync problems.

    Best regards

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    Joe,

    The HT1000 is getting a lot of good reports and it's resolution is exactly right for DVD output (1024X576). I think the increased resolution of the MT8 would be wasted unless it was used for displaying HDTV.

    Regarding audio delay, I would think there would be a market for an all-digital DTS/Dolby delay unit which sat in between the digital output of the DVD player and the a/v amp, do such things exist? I'm sure I could design one, but not at a cheap enough price!

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