Uk Parliament petition to stop lootboxes

z5461313

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This is important and can it be stickied for a while?

There is a petition for the uk parliament to look at lootboxes again in games.

It’s got 39,000 signatures already and needs 100,000 for it to be debated.

It’s been promoted by YouTubers who are sick of particularly Fifa lootboxes and want to force EA to make good games and drop lootbox scams particularly targeting vulnerable children.

Click on the link below to sign it only takes a few minutes, this is a way to fight back at EA for the gamers and children who want to play games safely.


Here is the evidence if people are not aware:

 
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z5461313

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The House of Lords gambling committee have called for immediate gambling regulation on loot boxes. Sign the petition if you've got time this is now making a good impact to protect the future of games and it’s been promoted by a strong youtube community to finally put an end to gambling lootboxes

 
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z5461313

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Here is what the UK House of Lords Committee recommends, at last. Wonder if EA and firms that have these lootboxes as fundamental factors in their games will be categorised as gambling operators now:

Key recommendations
The Committee sets out a range of recommendations across different areas to reduce gambling-related harm.
  • The gambling industry offers a variety of products to consumers, including some which can be highly addictive. The Gambling Commission should create a system for testing all new games against a series of harm indicators, including their addictiveness and whether they will appeal to children. A game which scores too highly on the harm indicators must not be approved.
  • The equalisation of speed of play and spin, so that no game can be played quicker online than in a casino, bookmaker or bingo hall.
  • The Gambling Commission must explain the minimum steps which operators should take when considering customer affordability, and make clear that it is for the operator to take the steps which will enable them to identify customers who are betting more than they can afford.
  • The creation of a statutory independent Gambling Ombudsman Service, modelled on the Financial Ombudsman Service, to settle disputes between gambling operators and gamblers.
  • The Government must act immediately to bring loot boxes within the remit of gambling legislation and regulation.
  • Gambling operators should no longer be allowed to advertise on the shirts of sports teams or any other visible part of their kit. There should also be no gambling advertising in or near any sports grounds or sports venues.
  • Problem gambling is a common mental health disorder, and the NHS has the same duty to treat it as to treat any other disorder. Last year the NHS promised to open 15 new clinics. It should do this before 2023 and establish a comparable number within the following few years.
 

z5461313

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I don’t know. Games are moving away from loot boxes because gamers have had to go to great lengths to object to what the games firms EA have tried to do

A dark future laid out by EA was to have loot boxes in all games, they said it

Gamers are objecting and continuing the fight against this dark future

Take time to sign the petition if you have time.

Lots of you tubers, families and friends it’s been distributed out to as many people as possible to sign it and the House of Lord gambling committee is just fabulous now, a real break through
 

GeneticMutation

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A lot of games are moving away from paid loot boxes now. FIFA is one of the few remaining.

Are panini stickers counted as gambling as well now?
In essence, yes. A chance based purchase is pretty much gambling. You're buying a pack of something in the hope of finding what you want. If it's not in the pack purchased people tend to buy another and another and... you get the point.

It's been happening for years it's just EA got very greedy with it and are now being called out.

Something as simple as the Lego Mini Fig packets you can buy are pretty much a gamble. Unless you know exactly what you're buying, it's a gamble.
 

mikeysthoughts

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The key difference with in-game digital purchases is the ease of access.

I don't recall ever seeing news of a child running up thousands of pounds of Panini sticker purchases on a parents credit card in a corner shop. Dad gave me £2.50 and that was that.
 

GeneticMutation

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The key difference with in-game digital purchases is the ease of access.

I don't recall ever seeing news of a child running up thousands of pounds of Panini sticker purchases on a parents credit card in a corner shop. Dad gave me £2.50 and that was that.
This is exactly the point. Microtransactions became to easy to make. Unknowing parents set up the kids console and input a payment method (not realising it'll be linked permanently unless manually removed) and boom, kids have unlimited access to (what they believe to be free) money.

P.S. I bet you still pestered your Dad for more because you didn't get the sticker you wanted :p
 

mikeysthoughts

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. I bet you still pestered your Dad for more because you didn't get the sticker you wanted
We had a pretty sophisticated trading mechanism on the playground, based on swapsies and shinies.

Got, got, need, etc.
 

hippo99

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Not quite the same. With Panini stickers, you can also buy any specific stickers you want individually directly from them & thus the ‘gambling/chance’ element is removed.
You don’t have that option with loot boxes to buy the item you want, directly from them.
 

GeneticMutation

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EA got silly and made it Pay to Win. If they'd kept it cosmetic ONLY then there'd be no fuss. I don't mind loot boxes as they're completely optional (I've purchased the odd one here and there). Just don't make them Pay to Win. Keep them as simple in game vanity items.
 

z5461313

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Pleased to see people are talking about it in these forums, I think a lot of people or parents don’t actually know what’s going on when they buy their kid a game of Fifa for example or Star Wars battlefront 2 when it first came out

The other aspect is EA deliberately spoil the game for you to entice you to spend money, it’s dirty tricks that the average gamer is not realising. They make the game really grindy or fix results of games if it’s Fifa based on your win loss ratio. It’s all horrible
 
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Yes lootboxes are gambling and and the game should as such have the necessary warnings and age rating

I do feel parents should educate them selves what they are signing up for when they put in their credit card details and theres no reason you cant put password protection on every purchase made also my account emails me as soon as i buy anything so if anyone brought anything it emails me and i would know somethings up
 

hippo99

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Yes lootboxes are gambling and and the game should as such have the necessary warnings and age rating

I do feel parents should educate them selves what they are signing up for when they put in their credit card details and theres no reason you cant put password protection on every purchase made also my account emails me as soon as i buy anything so if anyone brought anything it emails me and i would know somethings up
But then again, why should a game even have the capability of racking us these sort of charges?

What happened to the days of a game costing £40 & that was it? Or even the days of just having a sensible amount of (eg ~£40 worth) of DLC available for the game?

Why does a game have thousands of pounds worth of micro transactions available & no safeguards at all?
 

King Tones

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Ha that guys an idiot. His daughter knew exactly what she was doing but he gets it all back so no harm done I guess.

Lootboxes have got better and I have no issue with cosmetics or if you know what you are paying for and all for games making money but don't agree with pay to win. As long as you know what your getting or the chances then I'm not dead against it.

Personally parents should be more clued up on it. It makes me laugh when stories like the above comes out. Or the mum with her darling son holding a controller trying to look innocent after racking up a credit card bill of a grand.
Dont add a credit card to your account and use the console or smartphone as a babysitter!

I know it's not just parents and obviously people with addictions and would like to see it more regulations and limits in place maybe within game or console or virtual store.
 

hippo99

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Ha that guys an idiot. His daughter knew exactly what she was doing but he gets it all back so no harm done I guess.

Lootboxes have got better and I have no issue with cosmetics or if you know what you are paying for and all for games making money but don't agree with pay to win. As long as you know what your getting or the chances then I'm not dead against it.

Personally parents should be more clued up on it. It makes me laugh when stories like the above comes out. Or the mum with her darling son holding a controller trying to look innocent after racking up a credit card bill of a grand.
Dont add a credit card to your account and use the console or smartphone as a babysitter!

I know it's not just parents and obviously people with addictions and would like to see it more regulations and limits in place maybe within game or console or virtual store.
Well the guy is in his 70s so not unexpected he might not be very IT savvy.

I still see no reason why a children’s game has thousands of pounds of DLC available for it.
If it’s a game aimed at adults, then yes ‘be aware’.

It’s specifically a game marketed specifically at children for children. Eg if a child is watching CBeebies/CITV/Disney channel I shouldn’t have to monitor if there will be any 09 phone numbers shown on screen during programmes/adverts. Maybe I’m being naive but it should be a given that 09 numbers shouldn’t be targeting children.
 

z5461313

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You can say that guys an idiot but there are thousands of that guys an idiot, they don’t expect it and they are not aware of the really disgraceful exploits EA and other games companies have been doing these years

They see a game in Asda, they pick it up for their kid to play, and they are not aware of the festering exploits that they are going to experience
 
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But then again, why should a game even have the capability of racking us these sort of charges?

What happened to the days of a game costing £40 & that was it? Or even the days of just having a sensible amount of (eg ~£40 worth) of DLC available for the game?

Why does a game have thousands of pounds worth of micro transactions available & no safeguards at all?
there are safe guards in place parental controls, password protection before purchases, warning messages, email notification of all purchases.

no child has a credit card so therefore the parent has to take some responsibility here
 
In my opinion lootboxes are gambling and therefore should be labelled as such and the game should have the appropriate 18+ age rating.

but microtransactions are ok as with those you know what you will be buying
 

King Tones

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Well the guy is in his 70s so not unexpected he might not be very IT savvy.

I still see no reason why a children’s game has thousands of pounds of DLC available for it.
If it’s a game aimed at adults, then yes ‘be aware’.

It’s specifically a game marketed specifically at children for children. Eg if a child is watching CBeebies/CITV/Disney channel I shouldn’t have to monitor if there will be any 09 phone numbers shown on screen during programmes/adverts. Maybe I’m being naive but it should be a given that 09 numbers shouldn’t be targeting children.
Well if he has a 11 year old daughter then maybe he should take some time and learn about the tech she's using rather than just adding a Card to her Phone.

I have no idea how she spent that much without him noticing so yeah he's a bit of an idiot. I would certainly notice £100 being spent on the Playstore and rectify it quickly.
 

King Tones

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You can say that guys an idiot but there are thousands of that guys an idiot, they don’t expect it and they are not aware of the really disgraceful exploits EA and other games companies have been doing these years

They see a game in Asda, they pick it up for their kid to play, and they are not aware of the festering exploits that they are going to experience
This was a Smartphone game which he added his card to and happily left it on there and let his daughter go on a spending spree, completely different to Pay to Win Loot Boxes or someone preying on someones gambling habit.

I am against that but in this case it falls on the idiot that added his card, didn't set a password or email notification or 2 step authentication. It's easily done.

I'm not a fan of the gambling aspect and that should be locked down and regulated but those stories above are ridiculous and they play the victim when in fact it was their own stupidity. They always get there money back so a harsh lesson learned.

And with buying a game at Asda and the game exploiting the child and parents being completely unaware. Do all kids have Credit/Debit cards nowadays ? No the parents go ahead and add them to the console or smartphone. All it takes is a few minutes of them to look at what the kid wants to buy and see there is a huge store of stuff to purchase and realise maybe I shouldn't just add my card to little jonny's console/phone.

I have friends with Kids who all play Fortnite and Roblox which all have Microtransactions and none of them have Cards attached because they took a few minutes to research and noticed that you can buy PSN/Live Cards and the kids get their Battlepasses and Cosmetics that way.

I am not defending EA or companies that do it and yes it should be regulated but we shouldn't defend idiots that just think oh it's fine just adding my credit card to my kids console or phone and then not checking purchases for weeks or months.
 

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