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U-571 and people like Lt. Commander David Balme

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by dUnKle, Nov 5, 2000.

  1. dUnKle

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    Im 24 years old, the war to me is something I have only experienced through movies and television but nothing has actually seemed such a fitting dedication to the brave men and women of served our country during the periods of conflict as that which I have just seen through U-571 and the extras included.

    I never went to see the film at the cinema, I was annoyed that the film seemed to be a Gung-Ho American praising anti-british war movie ( like Private Ryan ) but although the film does mis-represent the historical facts of the capturing of the Enigma machine it does do a good job of praising the people who did the job for real.

    Its a sad fact that more and more people forget the brave such as Lt. Commander Balme and at this time of year I think it only fitting to think back and praise all those who served so that we are free. Spare a moments thought for them and wear your poppy with pride.

    It seems wrong to spoil my thoughts with any contributions about the film, but I did enjoy it, much more so than Private Ryan and found that the DTS soundtrack was superb.

    Buy the film on DVD and make sure you watch the extras and see the true strory
     
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    Have you seen "Das Boot"?

    Probably (actually for sure) the most honest and realistic war movie ever made with no 'we-americans-are-the-heros' bull****, a movie which does not praise anyone nor does it try to make war look good, rather the opposite.
    In fact it's a very sad movie about the casualties and pain of war on both sides and I hope none of us will never ever have to go through something like this ...
     
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    "I was annoyed that the film seemed to be a Gung-Ho American praising anti-british war movie ( like Private Ryan )"
    Sorry Duncan, I don't see how SPR was anti-British. (& I'm pretty outspoken on this subject..ask Dave Simonsez) As far as I remember, the only critisism levelled at the Brits in the film was the Hanks & Danson charactors having a moan about Monty being too slow & overrated. This was probably how the Yanks truely felt at the time. At no time did they project the idea that their's was the only landing did they? So why was it 'anti-British'?
    Oh yeah, Damn, I'm gonna have to watch U-571 now!

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  4. dUnKle

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    The thing which for me ( and this is only my opinion ) which ruined RYAN for me was the very end.

    I was fine with the bit about MONTY, as shortly B4 I had read some stuff which backed this up. But I was annoyed that the film finished with the US flag waving and NO mention of a dedication.

    Thats my gripe. At the end of U-571 you get a nice dedication and brief history and the extras are a good education
     
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    Hi,

    I agree with Reiner on "Das Boot"! I actually own three versions of this movie:

    a) the original 2 hour, dubbed version, that occasionally turns up on late-night ITV
    b) the original 6-part, widescreen and subtitled TV mini-series, which was how this particular title actually aired in Germany in 1984, and then,
    c) the newer, 200 minute Director's Cut, in widescreen and with subtitles

    BBC2 still own the rights to show Version B of the movie, and it was last shown around Christmas 1999, so you may be very lucky in it turning up this year as well. (It seems to be a perennial BBC2 Christmas/New Year favourite - not quite sure why this particular time in the year though!)

    Pooch
     
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    I kind of see your point Duncan, But the film was about a US rescue mission, & one of the US beach landings. I don't think that makes the film anti-anybody!There were many other nationalities besides the US & British involved in the D-Day landings. I believe, & I could be wrong as I own the DTS version, that Speilberg gives a dedication on the DD 5.1 version. (No room on the DTS disc)
    Oh, & Pooch....I take it you liked Das Boot then? [​IMG]

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    Pooch... I don't suppose that the original six parter is on DVD is it? As this version of Das Boot really is the best. Although the director's cut is pretty impressive too... But remembering the original... and after six hours with those guys the ending was even more powerfull.
    Love to get my hands on it.
     
  8. Reiner

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    According to my knowledge the mini-series is not available in any format, you gotta tape it. Certainly it does not exist on DVD, not even in Germany.
    Will buy the PAL version when I come back for my winter holiday and sell the US disc to a friend here who is pretty keen to get his hands in it.
    Now I just need to find a PAL compatible DVD player ....
     
  9. dUnKle

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    All this is true, and DAS BOOT was one of the first R1 DVDs that I got.

    It was a better film than U-571 and was a very emotional and deep story. I must say that it was one of the few films to bring a tear to my eye and was again a good dedication to those who lost there lives.

    I think that my main gripe with RYAN was the fact that at the cinema and on DVD there is not so much as a few words scrolling up the screen. To me ( and a few others ) the final shot of the US flag was akin to a slap to the face. Still a great film and a harrowing portrayal of the viciousness and the pointlessness to all the killing.

    With the 11th of november nearing us I think it only fitting to remember ALL those ( on all sides ) who lost there lives
     
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    Amen to that. And don't forget to buy(& wear) a poppy!

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    Just finished watching U-571.

    I remember reading all the posts about it when it was out at the cinema but I never got the chance to see it. I was intrigued by some people's disgust at the film with regards to making the Americans out to be the heroes and disregarding the British involvment in the capturing decoding machines in WWII.

    Well I am sorry but I disagree !!!

    What I have just watched is a movie which both pays respect and gratitude to ALL the men who bravely fought in WWII as part of the Allied forces.
    I did not find any US flag waving of any kind, I just saw a depiction of how these people fought with courage and bravery to allow us to live the lives we lead today.

    I for one am very glad I bought the DVD and I am anxious to watch the extras and find out more about the real people behind the story.

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    I agree this was a remarkable piece of television especially as, at the time, the Germans were not showing 'war movies'. The original TV series was edited down to make the two cinema movies already mentioned but some of the atmosphere and tension was lost in the process. I remember seeing one that was dubbed with American voices throughout which was terrible, but then it must have satisfied the US audience. It has always been my belief that the majority of the American audiences will not accept a movie or TV series that does not have an American actor and/or character in it, preferably in an 'heroic' role. To sell a British TV series to them generally means that we have to comply with that 'rule'.
     
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    Someone call Norris McWhirter!
     
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    I'm very into war films and there's some recommendations Id make

    Stalingrad - named after the battle/siege of the city, from the German perspective.

    Come and see - based around the Belorussian partisans, a very very tough watch - be warned.

    A bit more glossy but Generation war (unser mutter under vuetter) - a 4 part 2 hour series following 5 freinds stories throughout the course of WW2, a socialite and singer, 2 soldier, 1 nurse and 1 German Jew. I highly rate this show, although it doesn't look at the psychological aspect of soldiers suffering in quite the same way as the others mentioned.
     
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    There's a Paul Simon song that went: I was 21 years when I wrote this song I'm 22 now, but I won't be for long. Your 15 year old post really reminded me of that.

    :)
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  16. krish

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    I presume smilies weren't available back then as a certain someone hadn't spurted them all over the thread
     
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    Len and Arthur..........where are they now?

    And the website domain is still for sale 16 years later....

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    ^^^ one has been a judge on Strictly for years, the other is still leader of his Socialist Labour Party
     
  19. mike7

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    I fail to see the significance of that comment. Anyway he's dead!
     
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    it's often something like holy thread revival Batman!
    - I went for something different, and yes I know he's dead!
     
  21. mike7

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    ?
     
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    You do recall what he was famous for (apart from his right wing sh*t)?
    - if he was alive he might know what the world record is for longest gap between thread posts

    (you bumped a 15.5 year old thread ... EDIT: unless I'm mistaken and it was by a spammer and the post was subsequently deleted)
     
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    Right Krish, I think I've got you now. I was just trying to establish a connection with 'Record Breakers'. I don't dabble in politics of any kind and my memory does not stretch back to other threads of 15 years ago.
    There seems to be an number of gaps in this thread, which I didn't re-start, and it doesn't make too much sense to me any more so '"I'm out".
     
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    Why do I suddenly feel like a pint of the dark stuff.

    :)
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    There are possibly some unusual dates 'things' going on here, but from where I'm sat I've nearly got the same view as you all have it seems clear that there has been a 15.5 years gap between posts.

    Not that it's a problem, just amusing for us AVForum geeks
     
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    Does this explain it better ?

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    Nice use of the highlighter!
     
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    didn't even know i could do that in the snipping tool. everyday is a schoolday
     
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    Where's Pooch these days too?
     
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