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TW100 Successor - The Dreamio TW200

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Messiah, Sep 13, 2003.

  1. Messiah

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    Details now avaialble of the successor to the highly popular Epson TW100.

    Epson Dreamio TW200
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    In essence specs are

    Dreamio EMP-TW200
    D4 panel
    Resolution: 1280X720
    Brightness: 1300 Ansi Lumens
    Contrast: 800:1
    Lens: 1,5X zoom, short throw
    Powered focus and zoom
    Image processor: Pixelworks 8bit DNX
    Inputs: Composite, S-video, Component (3X rca), VGA (Dsub15), HDMI
    Control inputs: USB, RS232C
    Horizontal and vertical lens shift
    Price: 3000euros

    Full details from Projected Image available here

    Surprised they are only quoting 800:1 CR when most other mfrs using the Dream4 panels are quoting 1300:1.

    This AVS thread also makes reference to the new TW500 due from Epson using the 1920x1080 D4 panels. If they up the CR that could be a killer unit. Time will tell.
     
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    Whatever happened to DVI? Not on this one and not on the Z2? :confused:
     
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    Strange that someone is complaining about the Pixelworks only being 8bit per channel. I thought DVI was 'only' 8bit per component, and most folk reckon its the best way to connect your PJ! Certainly if using an HTPC, you will be limited to 32bit colour, which is 8bit per component (RGB plus gamma, not usually used on a desktop!). Unless you have a Matrox Parhelia...
     
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    It has a HDMI connection which may or may not also be DVI compatible. Time will tell.
     
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    'Dreamio' - they are having a laugh aren't they? ;)

    Ian Guinan
     
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    Odd that they quote such a low CR... (in comparison to claims on the new crop)..... but, as usual, seeing these in action will be the proof of the pudding. The casing shape is a bit out of the ordinary - to go with the name, shade of the "Nissan Cedric" there, methinks...

    Sean G.
     
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    Yeah, should have a 99 flake and strawberry sauce and nuts over the top :)
     
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    The tw500 sounds great(if its true?)but the styling of the new range looks very much like a dlp unit!!!Still if my TW100 does go belly up,at least i can change for a better model(?):devil:

    I bet you are dying to try out the new model though,Neil:rotfl: :rotfl: ???
     
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    Hiya. Wouldn't mind seeing it but can't see me changing my 10k for anything less than a 1920x1080 DLP unit. I reckon my 10k will be staying in place for about 2 years before getting upgraded. No complaints yet (other than the fan noise) :)

    Yeah, I reckon if you have a problem with yours during warranty you would, without a doubt, get a new latest model of Epson. They were superb with me with no questions asked :)
     
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    I like it :eek:

    "Dreamio" - I bet their marketing guys had one serious brainstorming session :rotfl:
     
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    Wonder what the TW500 will be called???
    CREAMIO:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    mwwhippy: you are correct, DVI-I is both analogue and digital, so will accept both.
    Although the styling of the Dreamio is quite nice and smooth, I cant help thinking it doesnt seem to have any advantages over the Sanyo Z2 (no DVI on the Dreamio) or the Panasonic PTAE500 (MLA), yet looks like it will cost considerably more than the Z2. Odd.
     
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    I stand corrected. I checked out again the video of the Z2 (from grobi) and noticed it does indeed have DVI.
     
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    Actually its RGB plus an alpha channel which represents transparency not gamma : and gamma is seen as a necessity for HTPC use : one of the main reasons the radeons are favoured.

    It is advisable to have larger than 8bit dacs when converting to analogue but staying digital 8 bit is fine for video.
     
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    Doh! Apologies, I meant alpha not gamma, used in 3d lots and OS/X as well I think. Thanks for putting me straight Mr.D!
    Question: Can DVI carry more than 8 bits per channel, for instance the 10/10/10/2 32bit colour of the parhelia? If this is possible, it would be good to see in combination with a PJ that can handle >8bit....
     
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    Not sure what the 10/10/10/2 refers to in the parhelia: if the 2 is an alpha its useless as it means it can only represent full or no transparency.

    I doubt there is any processing occuring that is greater than 8 bit if you stay digital. the 10 bit magic is usually making the biggest appreciable difference when you map from digital to analogue. I think the parhelia does have a 10bit image pipeline somewhere but you won't see any direct improvement from this unless you are dealing with images greater than 8bit which you're unlikely to see on a home PC ..unless you bring 3d rendering into the equation which is a different kettle of fish.

    I'm not sure what max bit depth DVI handles. Its not really going to make a huge difference for video material unless you are making lerge colour corrections...even less so if you have hardware gamma.
     
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    8bit digital is fine as long as its not mucked around with too much. The Immersive H3D II does an excllent job of destroying picture quality in the digital domain. The Parhelia is OK, its certainly not as good as the latest Radeons for things like DVD.
     
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    I saw the tw200 (dreamio)at the what hi-fi and stuff live show yesterday and
    have to say i wont be trading my TW100 just yet!!!!
    This is definitely not a replacement for my model as it doesnt get anywhere
    near the picture quality on the former model.
    The people from epson were all very friendly to display it new features like the lens shift feature(which does work very well!)but the setup at these shows does nothing to make you want to spend over £2000 :confused:
    In my opinion, there are better projectors at the moment for less money including the panasonic ae300 and the hs10 from sony!!Considering these are a year old ,maybe epson have made a mistake with their price for the so called 'dreamio'.Maybe this will get at better review once it is released and setup better but i'd doubt it?
    Lets hope the TW500 will be a major improvement over the TW100 or epson might get left behind in the quality stakes after such a good model last year?
    The TW500 is supposed to be out by the end of november.
     

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