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    1. Russ_64

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      If you buy a TV then you have to pay the UK License fee. If you only want to use "free" streaming services then you will need a Monitor and Streaming device (that does not get TV channels).
       
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    3. Russ_64

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      Correct - that link to the Offical TV License site says:
      Don’t have a TV? You could still need a TV Licence for other devices.

      It doesn’t matter what device you use. If you watch or record live TV programmes on any channel, or download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer, you need to be covered by a TV Licence. This includes:

      • TV sets (including smart TVs)
      • DVD, Blu-ray and VHS recorders
      • Laptops and desktop computers
      • Tablets, mobile phones and other portable devices
      • Digital boxes or PVRs (such as Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV)
      • Games consoles
      • Media streaming devices (such as Amazon Fire TV, Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku and Now TV)
      • Freeview, Freesat or YouView
       
    4. Vila

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      Thats very misleading.

      You only need a licence if you are watching any broadcast tv ( ie Freeview, Freesat, Sky, Virgin etc)
      Or Watching iPlayer

      You do not have to pay the UK licence fee just for buying a TV.
       
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      No offence but you said

      and in your follow up post you linked to a section that talks about what happens if you DON'T have a TV?

       
    6. Russ_64

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      I guess that technically you are right, but you may find it very hard to prove that you don't use it if you do own a TV or any of the devices they list (see my previous post) - just saying......
       
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      Note that the definition of "broadcast TV" includes live TV streamed online (from any source).
       
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      Indeed but generally speaking you can safely ignore this risk as the inspectors normally have no entry rights and close to 100% of TV licence related prosecutions are on the basis of a signed confession (so never sign a confession even if it is trumped up as something else). I also strongly dislike the authority's tactic of sending large amounts of misleading and unnecessarily threatening spam letters to every non-licence holder.
       
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      People have been buying TV's to use with VHS and DVD players for years without using the TV for broadcast TV.

      TV licensing are generally happy if you contact them them to say "i don't need a licence because the tv is just for X, Y, Z.. " If they do ask for an inspection and you're happy to oblige them (which you're not obligated to) again most reports seem that this is sufficient.

      No court is going to convict someone of TV licence evasion because you had a TV *that could* receive freeview and a PS4 *that could* be used for iplayer. They'd require proof. And assuming you aren't watching broadcast TV they're not going to be able to get a photograph of eastenders on the tv through your living room window.
       
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      All you have to do , is tick box stating you do not use for live broadcasts . If you have netflix , amazon etc . no need to pay for licence . Not had one for 2 years now , and they send a reminder email etc
       
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      Forgot to say ... If you buy a 2nd user TV , no one would know you owned one . It is only when you purchase new from a store , that they pass on your info
       
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      The traditional view is that having on a premises, a device or a set of devices capable of receiving and displaying live TV requires a TV licence. The equipment need not be found plugged in, need not even be in working order but if it has a tuner, or would normally have a tuner it is viewed as apparatus.
      A more recent interpretation would include any other equipment capable of displaying live images including those transmitted via the internet . So a computer system with fabulous display ,with Blu-ray drives etc would be exempt, whereas if it were connected to the internet, and had any software loaded like VLC player iPlayer or any such streaming programmes it would no longer be exempt. It's about capability.
       
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      This is not 100% safe. The TV inspection authority has a pack of trained miniature badgers with go-pro cameras strapped to them, who are discreetly put through the letterboxes of suspected licence evaders. The trained badgers quietly sneak up behind the suspected perp to check if they're watching TV illegally. They then leave discreetly while uploading the go pro footage to youtube for review by specialist humans. You are left none the wiser until the police TV licence fraud enforcement squadron break down your door at 5am a couple of weeks later and drag you off to TV prison for a rubber hose beating.

      :)
       
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      Who's traditional view ?

      Having a tv does not legally require you to have a licence and no court is going to convict a person of evading the tv licence without a confession or proof equipment was being used for broadcast television.
       
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      Again, not correct. See the answer to question 8: Do I need a TV licence?: TV licence fee tips - Money Saving Expert

      "If you have a TV but don't watch it, you don't need a licence
      [​IMG]Many wrongly believe you need to be covered by a TV licence if you have the ability to watch 'live' TV, even if you don't watch it. You only need a licence if you actually watch live TV or use BBC iPlayer.

      So, if you've got an aerial on your roof/satellite dish/TV with built-in Freeview etc, but you don't actually watch live TV, you don't need a licence."

      And - if not enough - from the official TV licence website: Official TV Licensing website - Legal framework

      Is a TV Licence required to own a television set?

      You don’t need a TV Licence to own or possess a television set. However, if you use it to watch or record programmes as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, or to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer, then you need a TV Licence in order to do so.
       
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      That requirement ended in 2013.
      Official TV Licensing website - TV dealers
       
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      I cannot believe the sheer volume of misinformation that floats around regarding tv licensing, but just to keep this on topic regarding the OP..

      If you already have a tv you are happy using then just buy either a little streaming box to watch ITV player, 4oD, My5, Amazon Prime, Netflix, UK Tv play or whatever else you fancy. (A simple, cheap solution would be a Roku, Now Tv Box or Chromecast.) Alternatively And/or grab a half decent blu-ray player and subscribe to a postal rental service (Cinema Paradiso). That way you’ll get the latest movies and tv shows, including anything half decent that the BBC puts out too.

      Just two things to remember. Do not watch iplayer content at all, nor watch ANY live or recorded tv on any channel. As long as you follow those two principles then you legitimately are following Tv Licensing guidelines. Anything else is well meaning but completely misinformed.
       
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      Aaaaagggggggh!!

      RECORDED TV IS FINE SO LONG AS IT'S NOT BBC!!!!

      -edit- to clarify, by "recorded" i mean catch-up tv style shows or anything recorded by other people. You cannot watch any TV show that you have personally recorded directly from any live stream.
       
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      No, that’s not correct. You do need one for recorded tv, whether that is bbc, or itv or Sky tv. Doesn’t matter. Read the quoted posts from tv licensing above. Tv licensing isn’t a ring fence around the bbc channels, it’s a ring fence around live tv, and separately Iplayer.

      “However, if you use it to watch or record programmes as they are being shown on TV or live online TV service, OR to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer, then you need a TV Licence in order to do so.”
       
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      I admit I was unclear because it depends what you mean by "recorded". The rule is: you only need a TV licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast or use BBC iPlayer – if you only use other catch-up sites, you don't need one.

      So it's not OK to record live TV from any channel and watch it later, but it IS fine to watch pre-recorded TV shows from any channel except the BBC so long as YOU didn't record it.
       
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      Precisely what I’ve just stated on both posts. To “record” anything means you are taking a live tv transmission, and saving it for later viewing, thus breaking tv licensing, no matter the channel. Catchup is entirely different, watch to your hearts content, as long as it’s not on iplayer or being shown live.

      So for example. My Mrs likes the Voice on itv.

      Watching it live= breaking tv licensing

      Recording it for later= breaking tv licensing

      Waiting until it goes up on itv player on demand= Perfectly legal.

      In fact, taking it to extremes I could subscribe to say Sky tv, whip out the LNB cables from the back so I couldn’t watch or record any live tv, and watch as much Sky Tv as I wanted on demand. None of it would be live or recorded. As long as I ignored iplayer on there then I’d be perfectly within tv licensing regs in doing so.
       
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      ...yes, and as already mentioned above several times :p.

      All non-live TV (including catch up TV) is by definition recorded. What is forbidden is using your own tv or recording equipment to watch or record a live stream for later viewing.

      There is no issue with watching non-live recorded TV so long as you did not record it yourself from a live stream.
       
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      Hey, don’t look at me.. you were the one who pulled me up on it.. :D

      That’s why I suggested the OP get something like a Roku or Now Tv Box, so he could still watch itv player etc on demand should he wish. :smashin:


      Personally I used to quite happily not have a tv license at home, but my partner missed the Football so I had the pain of not only having to grab back an expensive sports subscription, but also a blooming tv license to go with it.
       
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      Want to bet . Perhaps if the tv was in a backroom covered in dust and there was no antenna. But in the dining room with an active aerial the court won't believe you and you might enjoy a perjury charge also... .
       
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      They don't have to "believe" you - they have to PROVE that you were watching or recorded a live stream.
       
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      Sorry but your talking bullsh*t thats likely to mislead the original poster. Multiple other posters have already posted links stating the law allows you to have a television without paying the tv licence as long as your not using it for broadcasts or iplayer.

      Also why would you have the television hooked up to an ariel if you where declaring to TV licensing that you don't watch broadcast tv?
       
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      Just to be clear, tv licensing isn’t actually a LAW of the land, so by evading it you aren’t actually breaking a “LAW”, nor can you be inprisoned directly for doing so. What people do get inprisoned for is of course REFUSING to pay the COURT FINE given for tv license evasion. (Hence why it’s a man in a van that turns up, not a police officer to start with.)

      All of which is pretty mute if and when tv licensing turn up you start filming them in your mobile, and tell them firmly to leave your property. They might like to think of themselves as another form of court appointed bailiffs types, but the truth is that you can quite legitimately ring the police and have them escorted off your property. That’s all presuming you bother answering the door to unannounced “visitors” to start with anyway of course. Legally you don’t have to answer the door to even the police without a warrant, so I’d be damned if I had to for a glorified door to door salesman working on behalf of the Beeb.

      Best bet though, play it straight. If you don’t need a license then stick to your guns, you shouldn’t have to pay for what you aren’t using. If you do require one, then for peace of mind and less hassle, grab one.
       
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      I cancelled my sky after 18 years, so when my license renewal came through the door I phoned the number on the renewal slip. They asked me some very straight questions (BTW my tv is also hooked up to my media center computer and blue ray device)

      They asked - Do you watch live TV now or have an arial connected - I answered NO (because I don't)

      They asked - Do you still have your sky connected to your TV and CAN you watch the free channels even if you don't - I answered NO, I have removed the sky box as it just takes up space in my cabinet, the dish cables are still behind my AV cabinet but they are not connected to anything. My TV is only connected to my computer and my DVD player, but my TV does have internet access. (the sky box is now in my loft)

      They asked - Do you watch BBC I-Player - I answered no (because I don't)

      They said you do NOT need a TV License we will update our record accordingly and stop sending you notices. Be aware, we may make a random check to make sure everything is as you say. I said that's fine with me thanks.
       
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      Haven't had a TV licence for 2 years now, just filled in the form online declaring I only use it for watching DVDs/BDs, playing games or watching streaming services like Netflix and that was it, very straight forward and no worries.
       
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