Like many people, I replaced my VCR's with a DVD recorder ( Alba RDVD 1001 ) - a cheap recorder which uses +RW, +R media. I wanted to use the non-DVD Forum media 'cos I have used both + - systems at work and found the + to be more user friendly. I want to do two things: 1) trim leadins/outs and adverts from home recordings 2) back up, for my own use , some rare commercial dvd's ( mainly R1's ) which would cost a fortune to replace. I use an old Sony DRX-510 +-R/RW reader/burner on my PC and edit on the PC since editing on the DVD recorder is basic to say the least. When I started this - I naively thought this would be easy!! Not wanting to spend any money - and not being interested in authoring DVD's - I tried to do this initially with cheapo software i.e. Nero 6 reloaded bought from e-bay and any freeware I could get my hands on. So far I have found the following: Nero would sometimes not read from the DVD +RW - or only find the first title. Sometimes when it read the .VOB, the file appeared to be corrupted - this was even after ripping the stream to HD using the well known utility whose name cannot be mentioned. The Nero Vision Express 3 editor was flakey at best and caused some system crashes. The MySonic freebie that came with the Sony is a disaster - crashes / coasters etc. After playing around for a bit I found that VideoReDo Quickstreamfix was the only thing I could find that would recover the .VOB files into editable .mpg. I eventually shelled out $49 on VideoRedo "cos it does what it says on the can". Trimming / cutting / joining are trivial. NVE re-authors and burns the output faultlessly - I have never had a coaster with Nero - it might decide to run v. slowly at times - but it gets there in the end. On the subject of backing up - I use the aforementioned utility and DVDshrink ( with all the HQ boxes checked ) - this works OK but the recoding is tedious. I guess the question is - is there a better way - am I missing something here ? Should I get a HDD recorder since I am basically just recording analogue signals on the DVD recorder. How user friendly are HDD recorders? Would I have to link to a PC to edit / backup to DVD ?