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Toshiba releasing all new range of rear-projection TVs

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  1. Lizzard

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    Check this link out, Toshiba is revamping it's whole line of rear-projection TVs with progressive scanning and new design and all.

    New Toshiba's
     
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    Hmmm.. I wonder if "PIXEL PROcessing" is similar to Pixel Plus?
     
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    English Ttanslation (via the web):

    News 24.07.2003:

    Toshiba presents the largest palette on the IFA at Großbild-TV

    With altogether 11 Toshiba goes models of the TOSHIVISION large picture-TV-ranks at this year's IFA start.

    Four Rückpro-Boliden in the format 16:9, seven further in 4:3.

    The new "home movie theater’s“ present itself with a clearly improved technical equipment and in a trendigen design.

    New! Pixel per - now also in Rückpro TV!

    Entirely in the focus of various new Großbild-Rückprojektions TV models, the further optimization of the picture quality stood. Through PIXEL PROcessing, the amount of the picture point to be represented is doubled - the television picture bribes through sharpness and detail wealth.

    The equipment with progressive Scan worries that the half pictures are put together to a complete picture. In this manner the lines structure visible in the conventional television picture disappears. The result is an excellent picture sharpness and -deep.
    The models individually:

    * Hollywood PER 57 WH 36 P
    * Hollywood PER 51 WH 36 P
    * Hollywood PER 42 WH 36 P
    * Nashville 42 PW 33 P
    * New York II 61 PH 18 Q
    * Milano PER 50 PH 36 P
    * Dallas 50 VJ 33 P
    * Milano PER 43 PH 36 P
    * Memphis II 43 VJ 22 P
    * Memphis II 43 VJ 22 Z * Dallas43 VJ 33

    New Outfit for Toshiba’s design TV

    Totally newly gestylt and with Top technology - the design TV ranks:

    * Atrium PER 36 ZD 36 P
    * Atrium PER 32 ZD 36 P
    * Atrium 28 ZD 26 P
    * Argentum II 32 ZH 36 P
    * Argentum II 28 ZH 37 P

    The new models Atrium PER 36 ZD 36 P and Atrium PER 32 ZD 36 P are equipped with „Active vision Toshiba’s new picture draft of picture attitudes different for a unique selection in the 100 Hz business or progressive Scan.

    100 Hz: a picture delivers the attitude 100 Hz without Großflächenflimmern, however a Zeilenflimmern remains.

    Naturally: in the 100 Hz business the Zeilenflimmern is avoided, thanks to 100 Hz DFS.

    Movement: next to the Zeilenflimmernreduktion, Perfect Motion is activated in this picture attitude digitally to the fluid movement representation.

    Complete picture: the TV generates complete pictures out of half pictures - like it over the antennas connection, vcr or DVD Player passed become -. Also complete pictures can be used by the DVD Player.

    Selection in the area Classic-TV pleased

    18 different devices types of the standard TV ranks form a further focal point in the current Toshiba offer.

    Liner looked seven Flat Liner, two and three Porty „Piccolino“ with the most different equipment, design and colors.

    LCD and plasma - departure to new banks!

    High end promise pleasure the new "LCD-Flachmänner“ of Toshiba with leading-edge technology and stylish design.

    The new Flexpanel owe the unübertroffene picture quality an enormously rich in contrast LCD-Panel and the especially fast that increase in prices/Crystalline technology.

    With a reaction time of only 16 msec. double contours belong to now and Nachzieheffekte of the past.

    32 WL 36 P

    The new flat entertainers individually:

    * LCD Flexpanel 14 VL 43 P - 36 cm of screen diagonal / 4:3
    * LCD Flexpanel 20 VL 43 P - 51 cm of screen diagonal / 4:3
    * LCD Flexpanel 26 WL 36 P - 66 cm of screen diagonal / 16:9 * LCD Flexpanel 32 WL 36 P - 82 cm of screen diagonal / 16:9
    * Plasma Flexpanel 42 WP 36 P - 107 cm of screen diagonal / 16:9

    Plasma displays

    * Flat panels 42 WP 37 E - 107 cm of screen diagonal / 16:9
    * flat panels 50 XP 37 E - 127 cm of screen diagonal / 16:9
     
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    The new models are up on Tv and video direct.

    51WH36 = 1384.99!!!
     
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    Hi bodyfodder, do you have a link for that please.
    Cheers Oddbodd
     
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    hi mate.

    http://www.tvandvideodirect.com/tvandvideodirect_home/

    This link will take you to the main page. Click on the rear-projection section and then where it say 16:9.

    All three of the new models are listed but there is no picture. If this is the confirmed price of these then it sounds like a bit of a bargain as they are supposed to have progressive scanning!
     
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    WOO HOO.......Progressive scanning!

    Anyone know if it does PAL and NTSC progressive scanning?
     
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    Dritte Neuerscheinung ist der Rückenprojektionsfernseher Hollywood Pro 42WH36P, ein 42-Zoll-Rückpro im 16:9-Format (107 cm Bilddiagonale). Der 100 Hz-Fernseher ist PAL- und NTSC-Progressive Scan-fähig, verschiedene neue Technologien sollen für eine besonders gute Bildqualität sorgen (PIXELPROcessing, Digital 100 Hz DFS Pro).

    My german is poor but by lookin at the bit that says "PAL- und NTSC-Progressive Scan" does this mean pal and ntsc progressive?
     
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    looks like a bargain price, but i;m not sure if i like the newer look

    one of the biggest attractions to the tosh was the thin plastic border round the whole picture - but it looks like they have started to add to that with shiny bits - which could detract from the picture itself. i'll wait till i see it in the flesh.

    also, at that price, you wonder what they have sacrified to managed to bring the cost so low for the initial release of a brand new line.
     
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    The price reduction could be because of all the LCD and DLP rear-pros coming out.

    Maybe crt rear projection sets are a dying breed.
     
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    Found another retailer advertising them with pictures:

    http://www.aegir.co.uk/projection.htm

    Have phoned them up and he will be getting back to me with prices. Not too bothered that they aren't dolby digital as I am setting up my own 6.1 setup.

    As long as it has Component, scart sockets and an improved picture than the current Toshiba RP range then I can't wait.
     
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    I think the new design is very nice. Much more modern than the current crop from toshiba.
     

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    Just received this direct from Toshiba:

    The 42WH36 is due to be available sometime in August and the 51WH36 and 57WH36 are due to be available sometime in September. Please find details of these model below for your information.

    57 / 51 / 42WH36
    Screen - Flat 16:9, New 7" High Brightness Screen, New Black Stripe Screen
    Picture - 4 Picture Scanning Modes (100Hz, 100Hz DFS Natural, 100Hz DFS Active, Progressive Scan), Digital Comb Filter, Super Scene Control, Super Real Transient, Colour Detail Enhancer, Dynamic Scan Control, Digital Noise Reduction, Colour Transient Improver, Black Stretch, Convergence -Factory Fixed - No Need to Adjust.
    Sound - Nicam, 40W RMS Audio Output, Bass Boost, Subwoofer Terminal
    Tuning - UHF / VHF / Hyper, PAL I / BG / DK, SECAM BG / DK / L, NTSC BG 4.43
    Connections -
    Input: 3 Scart, RGB Input (via Scart 1 and 2), Front AV, Component Video Input
    Output: Headphone socket, Audio Output
    Ease Of Use - Auto Set-Up, NexTView No Signal Off / Mute, Blue Back Control, Fastext - 128 pages Memory, Teletext Sub-Page Control, Channel and Position Editor
    Accessories - Open Stand (Optional)

    There is no stand available for the 57WH36.

    N.B. Product design and specification subject to change or modification without notice.

    Dimensions (57WH36):
    Width - 1328mm
    Height - 1400mm
    Depth - 598mm

    Dimension (51WH36):
    Width - 1174mm
    Height - 1266mm
    Depth - 555mm

    Dimensions (42WH36):
    Width - 1004.5mm
    Height - 1160.5mm
    Depth - 415mm
     
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    Havin just cancelled my order for a PD30 im seriously tempted by the 42" version.

    What does this mean...

    "Convergence -Factory Fixed - No Need to Adjust"
     
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    Probably means people like those found on this forum not to mess around with the convergence through the service menu.

    Im curious of the 'new 7" High Brightness Black Stripe Screen'. I wonder if this makes the picture better or is just manufacturer jargon?
     
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    I think that nathan is the best person to ask on tosh RPTVs. Reading the specs that toshiba have gave shows that this model must have some sort of internal progscan like the pictureframe 2.

    I would not be suprised to see full NTSC and PAL progressive from the component inputs.:clap:
     
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    Lets hope it can display HD 720/1080. Toshiba rptvs are so far behind compared to the US.
     
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    When HDTV comes available in this country thats when HD compatible sets will start to appear but i cant see that happening for a few years yet.:(

    This model will probably use the same technology that is in the picture frame 2 sets and come with the same features (green trails).
     
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    My 50 wt29b is going back to the shop, due to a fault and I will be getting my money back. After reading this I'm undecided as to getting another or holding out for the new 51". Two things concern me 1) there appears to be no freeview facility, 2) will the top be able to support a centre speaker.
     
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    Can anyone advise me, I was about to buy the 50WT29B from robertson electrical then I saw this thread saying the new ones are coming out, would I be better to get the new model ?? But it looks like there are no rear speakers/dsp this is why they have reduced the price ??? I do want suround sound built in as i don't have a seperate system, also can anyone who has got the 50wt29b tell me how good the picture is ?? evertime I go into comet they have the colour / contrast all over the place and the picture does not look that clever and there are no remotes to change the settings, or can anyone tell me of any reviews on the net for this model as I can't find any, the last thing I want is to spend £1466 at robertsons on this tv and the picture is rubbish..
     
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    I'm looking to buy probably a 51WH36, although they are listed on the two sites mentioned in this thread, are they actually being shipped?, has anyone got one.

    Secondly, other than tv and video direct, who else is recommended as a on-line seller?.
     
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    just found this on the german tosh website regarding their new range of RPTV's.

    Its called "Convergence Protection"

    (Translation)....

    "Picture tubes are subjected to magnetic influences, which ensure koenen that the three basic colours of the television picture are not appropriate red, green and for blue completely one above the other. Slides entails easy Unschaerfen and colored edges at outlines. Past technologies could dam Unschaerfen only. Convergence Protection is the first picture-sharpening system, which preventing magnetic influences prevented, as the picture tubes are protected by a screen, similarly as with high-quality cables. Magnetic fields are derived in such a way, before they can affect the picture tubes. To the manual micro-adjustment constantly beyond that the digital convergence adjustment for the order."

    Do any of the older models have this feature?
     
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    Magnentic fields do not affect CRT RP's. I have a huge speaker about 1cm to the left of my Toshiba RP, and another smaller speaker ontop of that. A huge centre smack in front of the RP. And the RP is in front of a radiator.

    If I did that with a normal TV- nice purple effect on the screen.

    The picture is not effected in the slightest.
     
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    Strange then that they would list this as a feature on the tosh web page. It seems that they have also updated the internal progscanning on the new range to "Pixel Processing" which in the manual says "has 50hz vertical scan but the equivalent of 100hz horizontal scan".
     
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    I made the mistake of having a look at the owners manual for the latest US model, the 46H83. Its like chalk and cheese! Far superior to the UK model, I mean WAY better and for roughly the same price! (Twin component imputs, DVI socket, one button auto-convergence, 720p/1080i, POP, etc, etc)

    I was contemplating buying the new UK model but think I'll hold tight for the next generation (or 2).

    I mean ***, do they think we are all backward here or something! Come on Toshiba, wake up and stop fobbing us off with products that are obsolete!

    Paul
     
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    Has anyone evaluated any of the new range yet ?

    How will the spec of these new sets compare with the USA sets?
     
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    UK Specs 42WH36P;

    Broadcast systems/channels
    PAL-I UHF UK21-UK69
    PAL-B/G UHF E21-E69
    VHF E2-E12, S1-S41
    SECAM-L UHF F21-F69
    VHF F1-F10, B-Q
    SECAM-D/K UHF R21-R69
    VHF R1-R12
    Video Input PAL, SECAM, NTSC 3.58/4.43
    External connections
    EXT1 Input 21-pin Scart RGB, A/V
    EXT2 Input 21-pin Scart RGB, A/V
    EXT3 Input/Output 21-pin Scart A/V, S-video
    Selectable output
    EXT4 Input Phono jacks Y, PB/CB, PR/CR
    Phono jacks Audio L + R
    EXT5 Input (side/front) 4-pin S-video
    Phono jack Video
    Phono jacks Audio L + R
    Fixed/Variable Output Phono jacks Audio L + R
    Output to Active Super Woofer Phono socket
    Programme Positions 100
    Stereo Nicam
    2 carrier system
    Visible Screen Size 42ins 107cm
    (approx.) 51ins 129cm
    57cm 144cm
    Display 16:9
    Sound output (at 10% distortion) Main 10W + 10W
    Power consumption 42ins 185W
    as specified in EN60107-1 : 1997 51ins 185W
    57ins 185W
    Standby 42ins <2.5W
    51ins <2.5W
    57ins <2.5W
    Dimensions 42ins 116cm (H) 101cm (W) 42cm (D)
    (approx.) 51ins 128cm (H) 121cm (W) 57cm (D)
    57ins 140cm (H) 133cm (W) 60cm (D)
    Weight (approx.) 42ins 52kg
    51ins 65kg
    57ins 92kg
    Headphone socket 3.5mm stereo
    Accessories Remote control
    2 batteries
    (UM-4, AAA, IEC R03 1.5V)
    © Toshiba Information Systems (U.K.) Limited

    Note, the manual for this UK model only mentions 525 NTSC progressive input although I would be fairly sure that the set will accept PAL progressive. No mention of 720p, it MAY be able to handle it in which case that Momitsu V-880 720p/1080i DVD player will come in VERY handy! Personally I would assume it only goes up to 525p until someone confirms otherwise. Still, it would be a very nice picture even at that!
    Paul
     
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    US Specs 46HX83:

    SPECIFICATIONS
    46" Cinema Series® Tabletop HD Monitor Projection TV
    PowerFocus™ HD4 CRTs
    PowerFocus™ HC Lens System
    Red and Green Color Lens Filters
    First Surface Mirror
    TheaterFine™ HD Super Fine Pitch Screen
    Built-in High Contrast Anti-Reflective TheaterShield™
    TouchFocus™
    Manual 9 Point Convergence
    Wide 160 Degree Viewing Angle
    3D Y/C (4 MB, 10 Bit) Digital Comb Filter with Vertical Contour Correction
    Color Temperature Control (Warm/Medium/Cool)
    TruView™
    Movie and Sports Modes
    Dynamic Quadruple Focus
    Adjustable DFine™ High Speed VSM
    Auto Aspect Detection
    CableClear™ DNR+ Digital Noise Reduction
    CrystalScan HDSC™
    TheaterWide® Modes
    Cinema Mode (3:2 Pulldown Switch)
    Wide Band Video Amplifier
    Ambient Light Sensor
    HD Dynamic Contrast
    MTS Stereo/SAP with dbx®
    SRS® WOW
    Sub Bass System
    StableSound®
    40 W Audio (Total)
    Illuminated A/V Universal (6 item) Remote Control
    TheaterNet™ ICON IR Control System
    HD Window™ Dual Tuner POP
    Tri-Lingual Icon On-Screen Display
    Closed Captioning on Mute
    V-Chip
    One Button Sleep Timer
    Channel Return, Power Return
    Noise Muting
    Favorite Channel
    Channel Lock, Channel Labeling
    Video Labeling, Video Lock
    Direct Video Input Selection
    Speed Tuning
    GameTimer™
    On Timer
    Individual A/V Settings by Input Type
    PIP Sound
    Speed Surf
    2-Level Mute
    Front Panel Lock-Out
    QuickConnect™ Guide
    SurfLock™
    Front Panel A/V/S Input
    Dual ColorStream® HD Component Video Inputs
    DVI-HDTV Input
    TheaterLink™ IR
    Rear A/V/S Inputs (2)
    A/V Output
    Fixed and Variable Audio Output
    Center Channel Audio Input
    Unit: 43 3/8" x 40 ½" x 21 7/8" (W,H,D), 145 Lbs.
    Warranty: 1 Year Parts/Labor, 2 Years Picture Tube
    UPC Code: 022265261880
    Optional Stand - ST4663

    Technology and Benefits

    Improved IDSC Pro
    This advanced digital scan conversion system allows the TV to accept and display both progressive scan and HD video signals, including 720p. IDSC Pro utilizes line doubling, frame doubling, pixel doubling, and double sampling for the best possible progressive scan images. IDSC Pro creates a single, no compromise, focus point from any signal for a consistently sharper image.
    PowerFocus HD Wide CRTs
    To optimize the reproduction of HD images, a wider electrostatic focus area is used to create a 20% improvement in focus, while also achieving a 5% improvement in brightness.
    CableClear DNR
    Designed to optimize poor NTSC signals from antenna or cable, this new video noise reduction system eliminates video noise ("snow") for a clean crisp image.
    MegaBand Super Wideband Video Amplifier
    This Feature has improved video amplification by 50%, which allows for Significant increases in Video Resolution to Accurately Reproduce HD Video Signals.
    SRS WOW
    This combination of three signal processing circuits creates a wide three-dimensional sound field from two speakers (SRSÆ 3D), boosts bass frequency perception (TruBass), and raises the sound image vertically to create clearer, more vivid audio (FOCUS).
    QuickConnect On-Screen Set-Up Guide
    This on-screen set-up guide automatically appears the first time a set is powered up, or it may be accessed through the regular OSD menu. QuickConnect acts as set-up wizard, helping consumers with connection of an antenna or cable box as well as performing initial channel scan, picture preference and other set-up features.

    To be honest, most of these are bells and whistles, the important differences are the DVI input, twin component progressive inputs and ability to accept/display 720p signals (Hi-Def). The Hi-Def broadcasting standard has not yet been set in the UK/Europe but the simple addition of a DVI socket would allow UK users to use 720p from suitably equipped scalers/HTPCs/DVD players. The display from such an RPTV would be AWESOME :eek:

    At the moment, this is but a distant dream :( Maybe next year we'll see Toshiba release suitably specced sets in the UK if Euro1080 does indeed start broadcasting HDTV and the newly announced euro HDTV satellite receiver gets released - hope so!

    Paul
     
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    What would be involved in obtaining the USA spec sets ? and using it !

    Other than a power adaptor, which if good quality could be used for spike protection and also clean steady power supply which I'm sure will have a benefitial effect on picture.

    Scaler/PC to scale freeview/sky to 720P or are their sets PAL & NTSC capable ?

    Would it be worth all the effort ? that's if we can purchase these models
     
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    Shipping would be a KILLER in more ways than one.

    It would cost a small fortune due to the weight and size of the set. Also, the chances of damage during shipping would be very high.

    I once had a 42" Toshiba RPTV shipped from Robert Whytes in Glasgow and it arrived in bits, god knows what would happen to it after a journey of some 4000 miles!

    Not really an option, some things I'd risk, some things I wouldn't. Too big and too easily damaged.

    However, if you could get one across it would work perfectly (but would be NTSC only although 99.9% of my DVD collection is NTSC so its not a show stopper). Would it work with an HDTV receiver? Well, possibly but thats open to doubt although as you said, there are ways round this if need be.

    My advice, wait a year and see what happens. Chances are that we will see true HDTV sets released in the UK to meet the arrival of Euro1080 and the HDTV sat receivers. For the meantime wait and see if this years sets accept 720p in which case great otherwise a cheap projector would do as a stop-gap whilst we gnaw our fingers to the bone in anticipation!

    I'm pretty much convinced that the addition of DVI input on the forthcoming new models would be at minimal cost but the chances of Toshiba doing that are NIL, they are still milking the UK market by way of obsolete models and are unlikely to make any spec changes before this "old" stock get sold out.
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