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Toshiba 46WM48 - Last shout for help

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  1. General-Zod

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    Hi all,

    After being irrevocably tempted by the amazing price and value for money I caved in and bought a Toshiba 46WM48.

    Upon receiving the set my very first impression was that I had made the purchase of the century. I was wholeheartedly impressed. Then I plugged in my x-box.

    During the static menu screens I was overwhelmed by the clarity of the image, the depth of the colour and the sharpness of the picture. However, I soon discovered that whilst playing the game something was seriously amiss.

    After a few minutes I noticed that whenever I moved the camera across the landscape at a steady speed the static background would blur horribly. Everything took on an oil-painting like appearance. Absolutely hideous.

    I was mortified. I mean.... aside from this the TV had blown me away. I really thought I was onto a winner. The problem is I am an avid gamer. I ply Halo 2 on Xbox Live every day. To have this effect ruins the game entirely.

    The place I bought the set from have agreed to let me return the item and I am grateful for their friendly and understanding manner. The thing is... if there is anything I might be able to do to clear this problem i would LOVE to know. So.... if you have any ideas.... I have until Monday morning. Let me know.
     
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    Buy a Lumagen DVI for about £800. Set to 59.94 output at 720p it will clean up the motion blur completely. However, if you can return the set for free than I think that might be a better (certainly cheaper) bet.

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    I was tempted by the iScan from DVD0 at £849 for upscalling poor picture sources - is the Lumagen any good on standard AF or Sky type feeds as well as Games?:confused:

    Cheers:hiya:
     
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    Well, I feed Sky+ through it using a scart to four-way RGBi lead and it even looks good at over 8ft wide through a Z3 (over HDMI), provided you stick to one of the higher bit rate channels like Ch5 or Sky Movies.

    There's a new Lumagen coming that's all HDMI, but alas it's set to cost about £5000 so I won't be rushing out to get one just yet.

    Regards

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    Thanks - that helps:thumbsup:
     
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    General_Zod.

    How did this come as a surprise to you? This problem with the Toshiba has been discussed in reviews and on almost every Toshiba thread on the forum.

    And of course you did get a full demo before you bought, didn't you?

    Er, you did, didn't you? :confused:

    When you've spent over a grand on a new TV and in order to get a decent picture the advice is along the lines of "Buy an upscaler for just under a grand.", then you've got the wrong set.

    Return the set and check out the new Samsung 46" model, the same size screen and the nearest price match to the Toshiba. Plug in, turn on and enjoy. None of the motion blur issues and a noticeably superior picture to the Toshiba. And no need for another grand or so for upscalers, etc.

    When you spend four figures on a TV you want to be able to turn it on and see a nice picture, with no p***ing about. Right? :)
     
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    I agree 100% and I am at the front of the queue when it comes to demanding a TV that handles SD and poor quality feeds properly just as any other CRT should - but it seems we are in a minority according to the manufacturers and the stores who say that no-one else is complaining ??!:confused:

    It seems large screen HD TVs work well for HD and OK for DVD but the scaler inside every box sold today is cheap low grade stuff and cannot handle the job of blowing up an image to the larger screen sizes without exposing all the defects or failing to cover motion blur. This is why it seems we will have to spend more on a scaler with a decent processor inside (what the manufacturers should have done) with enough grunt to get round the problem.:(

    Cheers:hiya:
     
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    It's a case of garbage in - garbage out. Freeview / Sky PQ is fairly naff anyway. Also, the better the resolution of the set, the more nasties it shows up.

    The revelation for me when I got my DLP was that the PQ on channels 1-5 on the terrestrial, analogue RF feed was far superior to the same channels on digital.

    Not an issue for me anyway as I find 99% of TV dire beyond belief (talking content now, not PQ) and use the set to watch DVDs. Bought a HDD/DVD recorder in July and the only programme I've wanted to record was a concert on BBC Four. The rest of the time it has been used for transfering irreplaceable VHS material to DVD. Not too worried about the advent of Hi-Def broadcasting either. Same old s*** only clearer! :(

    Hi-Def DVD however is highly anticipated! :smashin:
     
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    Ive got to get one
     
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    :confused:
    Toshiba - approx price £1,100 + Lumagen DVI £800.

    Samsung - £1,300. With superior levels of contrast, brightness and colour saturation, no motion blurring, and no "oil slick" effect.

    Am I missing something here Elephant Man? :confused:
     
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    I need the Lumagen
     
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    Ah! Because you've got the Tosh already?
     
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    the_pauley - do you know the model number of the Samsung you're talking about? Am 99% sure I'm about to buy a Samsung 46" DLP Rear Projection - it's model number (according to the sales guy over the phone - i forgot to write it down when i was in the shop demo'ing it tonight!) was L6HY - it was £1499.99 but he was doing it for £1275.

    Paul.
     
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    The model is the SP46L6HX.

    Forget the suffix of the last two letters, this tends to vary from stockist to stockist for some reason. Samsung's packaging only has 46L6 printed on it. The L6 is the important bit - this indicates that this is the latest version of the 46" screen.
     
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    Would you recommend a purchase then at £1275? Set looked amazing with HD fed into it.

    Not sure if amp, sky+, dvd player, dvd recorder and centre speaker would fit in the 2 shelves underneath though - may have to fork out for a 3-shelf glass tv unit instead.....

    Paul.
     
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    That's a good price. Where is it from?

    And I'd certainly recommend a purchase - I bought one six weeks ago and have been delighted with it. Completely issue free purchase. Looks terrific with standard definition DVD too. Quality via component is stunning.

    And before you fork out several hundred pounds for a steel and glass AV rack, check out this rack.

    Picture of it with the Samsung 46" and all other equipment in place here - post #12.
     
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    It's from a local retailer here in Belfast - they have it listed as £1999 down to £1499 and until Sunday they're taking the VAT off!

    Unfortunately that rack you've posted (looks excellent by the way!) would not fit my Yamaha A1 amp, Sky+, Pioneer DVD player, Pioneer DVD Recorder and B&W Centre Speaker (the centre is massive!) - but thanks for the advice.

    Much appreciated!

    Cheers,

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    Yes I was lucky. I just had to lower the centre shelf with a couple of extra drill holes and my speaker fitted in with about a couple of mm width to spare.
     
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    Am totally confused now - looked at the brouchure for the 46" and it says Display Format 720p - should I not be looking for a 1080i capable telly?

    Paul.
     
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    Well you won't find one for starters.

    Just do a search on the High Definition threads for plenty of discussions on this very subject and reasons as to why 1080 capability shouldn't be too much of a concern in the UK for the forseeable future.
     
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    hey paul im from lurgan just wondering where in belfast quoted u this price?? :smashin:
     
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    Thank you very much the_pauley - was in a bit of a rush so didn't have time to read everything - but made my decision and ordered it this afternoon - being delivered on Wednesday afternoon! Can't wait!!

    inovermyhead - it was at S&R Electrics on the Holywood Road - it finished today but I dare say if you wanted one they could sort you out tomorrow - i'm going back tomorrow to pick up a Samsung HDMI DVD950 player tomorrow for £85 including HDMI cable!

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  23. Jim Morrison

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    Eeek, i've got this set coming this afternoon as an insurance replacement for my trusty old workhorse, the Toshiba 46WH08B. Now i didn't have any say in the replacement as it's 'like-for-like' and this is the only 46" Toshiba RPTV on the market. And as the set has 'only' cost me £50 (the 'excess' on my policy), i guess i can't grumble too much. However, having just flicked through the numerous threads on this TV, my excitement has wained somewhat and now i'm rather worried about the prospect of being saddled with a 46" turd!

    I've drawn some comfort from the two reviews it gets in WV&WTV & WHC. Both reviews briefly mention the problems that some users have found, but don't make a big issue out of them and both mags give the set very good ratings overall. Surely if the set was that bad, these trusty magazines would have made a bigger noise and not been so generous in their verdicts?

    Incidentally, is the stand already assembled or should i get my toolbox out? :D
     
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    Jim,

    I took delivery of my new tosh 46WM48 yesterday morning, @ 7 thanks Empiredirect.....

    Anyway, I have been very impressed with the picture so far, and DVD's on my standard Panny DVD look excellent IMHO.

    I am looking to buy a HDMI DVD player at the weekend, and will let you know how it is, but in my opionion, dont be worried about the set.

    Cheers
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    Any chance you can beg borrow steal extra pennies for the Samsung 50 incher?? Had it for two weeks now, and is stunning in all areas - PS2/DVD on HD 950/Sky+/terrestrial. Provided you are around 15 ft away and fairly central the picture is amazing.
     
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    Mine too came courtesy of Empire Direct and i have to say, what an impressive service!

    As for the set, although i'm only running Sky Digital and a dvd player via RGB scart, i'm very impressed with it. I christened the TV with the Region 1 'New Line Platinum' version Se7en last night and for the most part, the picture was stunning. I only noticed a slight blurring once...and there was no sign the rainbow effect. However, i'm keen to maximise the set's abilities and like you, i shall invest in a HDMI dvd player over the next couple of weeks...but i'd still like to know how you get on Alan. :)

    It's quite possibly the best £50 i've ever spent. :cool:

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    Having given the set a good hammering over the past couple of days, I have now seen the 'motion blurring/oil painting effect' and the 'rainbow effect'.

    First of all, the motion blurr/oil painting. Thankfully, even though my DVD connection is only via RGB scart, I've yet to see significant signs of this on a film presentation. Thus far i've watched Se7en, Revenge Of The Sith, The Descent and The Incredibles and for the most part, they looked sublime. However, the 'oil painting' effect is very noticeable on lower grade source material like dvd featurettes and documentaries. Whilst watching the making of featurette on The Descent dvd, it was very evident on people's faces and became rather distracting after a while.

    As for the 'rainbow effect' - I first noticed it using the THX Optimizer. At 'the circle', I noticed that if i moved my eyes to each side of the screen quickly, I could see red, blue & green lines - very peculiar. Again, thankfully this has remained largely absent from the film presentations, although i did notice it a couple of times during very dark scenes in The Descent.

    I shall be making the upgrade to a HDMI dvd player in the next couple of weeks and hopefully that will help reduce/eliminate these niggles!?

    So overall i'm very pleased with the set - I can't really complain for £50, can I!? The picture quality is certainly a cut above my 46WH08B - which incidentally I took a hammer and a hacksaw to t'other day. Dismantling and disposing of that beast proved to be a bloody nightmare..but hey, that's another story.
     
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    Jim, it's almost spooky how much your story resembles my own. My trusty old RP Tosh 46WH08B has also just been replaced under our insurance by Empire Direct....but they gave us the Tosh 52WM48 as a 'like for like' :thumbsup:

    The set was delivered yesterday morning and I have gave it a few good tests with DVD's and various Sky+ chanels and am overall impressed with the picture.

    I can see the oil painting on low quality sources and also the motion blurring is evident if I look for it...but, as you say, for what is essentially a free TV upgrade I am not complaining.

    I am going to be getting the Yamaha RXV2600 amplifier when it is released in the UK and I am hoping the scaler in that goes some way to the extent that the Lumagen does in removing the offending problems.
     
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    Wow - that is rather uncanny Mac. We are also from the same neck of the woods..i'm just a few miles down the road in Rotherham. :eek:

    I have to say i'm a bit miffed i didn't get the 52" aswell. An extra 6 inches would have been most welcome...although 'her indoors' might not have been too impressed. Then again... :D

    Still, can't complain and i have to say the service from Empire was great. Engineer came out one day, had a look at the tv and diagnosed it as being 'knackered' and 7 days later, i've got a brand new tv sat in the lounge. As much as i loved it, i can't say i miss the bulk and ugly build of the 46WH08B.

    You'll have to let me know how you get on with the Yamaha RXV2600 when you get it. It looks like an amazing amp and if it helps remove the offending problems, i might be tempted to go for it myself. I'm ready for an amplification upgrade as my SonySTRDB925 is starting to exhibit one or two problems after 7 years of hard graft. Although it's more than i'd initially budgeted for, the RXV2600 might very well be a worthwhile investment.

    Jim
     
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    :eek: Ooooh, how wierd...maybe all the old Tosh RPTV's in Yorkshire are dying in sympathy with each other ;)

    It was actually my Wife who said to the guy at Empire that she had been looking on the site and thought the 52" would be a good replacement...and he agreed :D She has been nagging about getting a bigger HD ready TV for ages and was all ready to buy the 52" LG up until a couple of weeks agao when Currys put the price up by £500 :mad:

    Yep, Empire were really good....allthough the problem with my old Tosh has been going on for almost seven months. The set was usable and very watchable but there had been a slight problem with a very, very small amount of blurring on the very left hadn edge of the screen. The engineer had been out three times to try and sort it but eventually they just classed it as unrepairable and wrote it off! As you say, it was a great TV but it did look so old and tired in it's design that I definitly don't miss it.

    I hope so. My current Yamaha amp is only ten months old but I have come to realise that I should have put more thought into the amp I needed with regards to the switching and up converting of video signals. The 2600 looks perfect for the job though and, hopefully, the on board scaler is not just an afterthought but actually works.
     

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