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Toshiba 32Zd26--- digiatl artifacts problem!

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by djg1, Mar 6, 2003.

  1. djg1

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    I have been wanting to purchase the Toshiba 32Zd26b now for over a month. But everytime i go into Currys (have to buy it from here as i have vouchers for a replacement TV), the picture is ruined by digital artifacts that affect bright areas of the picture and on edges even in peoples hair.

    This problem is most shown on channel 4's "THE SALON" with neon lights which the TV just cannot cope with.

    Having looked at previous threads i changed the Pic Mode to MODE 3, and altered the settings (bright/cont) but the artifacts were still there! they look like small checkered patterens but small. v small. but they ruin the picture.

    Having looked at other 100hz Tv's in the store, it seemed the 32Zd26 was more prone to this than others (strangely inc the Tosh Picture Frame Model! which is not so bad.)

    Yes... i know all the TV's are fed off one ariel and are daisy chaned together.....BUT this applies to all the other TV's in the store.... and they do not suffer from this problem so bad.

    I want the TV for VIDEO time shifting ability (quality being an issue here) and for a free view box plus normal anolouge ariel use. I also have a Gamecube (Eropean).

    come on ..... Help... all you 32ZD26 owners must know and have noticed.

    I love the Tv but having seen this problem in Currys, and Millor Brothers too it is putting me off!

    (ps the TV's ability with DVD's is i know v good, thats not worrying me, its it pictures with normal everyday live usage etc...)
     
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    Also worth mentioning....

    I went into millor brothers today, and was told the tube in the Tosh 32Zd26 was a Samsung, and not Tosh's own.

    Was also told because of this the tube is likely to have a tendancy to green and purple within a few years?!???? (thats what he said!)

    He also said the digital artifacts i pionted out were due to the Samsung tube, and pionted out (as i did too) that the Picture Frame models were no-where near so bad with this problem.

    Just thought i'd mention it.

    thanx everyone....please do help if u can.
     
  3. topmba

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    Make sure you set the set ZD or ZT to prog scan mode. This will improve pic.

    It cannot be a Samsung tube that has been around for 3 years. How do they know it turns yellow? I suspect they want to shift old stock.

    If ZP make sure u get nu remote (as ZD) and improved teletext (store multiple pages, e.g. 5/9, 6/9 etc. instead of split screen teletext/picture.
     
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    From what I understand, the 28" Stratas don't use a Tosh tube, but the 32/36" should.

    I find it hard to believe digital artefacts are due to tubes!! The Stratas will have a different digital engine to the older Picture Frames so this may be why they look different.

    The ZP18Q is what topmba is referring to (the older ZP18P model had a different remote and came with split screen text).

    The Tosh 100Hz TVs have never had good analogue tuners (or at least they look bad due to the digital processing). The Stratas in Progressive mode should look better. You cannot judge picture quality until you get the beast home - sorry but its true (unless you go to a specialist who will spend the time with you to hook it up properly and demo it).

    Basically I think you are being told a load of rubbish. Even though I thought the service was fantastic in the shop I bought my TVs from (HoF) they didn't have a clue about anything remotely technical which is apparent when they try and tell you things (it's all bulls**t). Huge pinch of salt required. At the end of the day these people are shop assistants and nothing more.
     
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    Although I never watch anything via the analogue tuner, on occasion where I've switched my 36ZD26P on and spent a few minutes watching the first thing that's come on, I have to say that the analogue picture can be quite acceptable for the most part. Sure, Sky (including VCR'd shows from Sky) and DVD are obviously streets ahead PQ wise but the regular analogue stuff is certainly no worse than the Panasonic 36PF10 and 32PF10's that I have.
     
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    My 36zd26p's analouge images are not bad. I don't live in a fantasic broadcast area for analouge (big hill nearby that causes ghosting) but the TV makes the best of them.

    At first I noticed 'dottyness' on some colours and thin lines, but after adjusting the scan mode, sharpness, contrast and brightness, I've virtually got rid of it. As for artefacts I've only seen them when the following occur ...

    a) 100hz is on
    b) watching football
    c) brightness is up too high
    d) I'm about 2-3 feet away from the TV.

    A mate has the 32zd26p and is very very happy with it's performance. He's lucky in the fact that his set has none of the talked about problems on some Tosh 32/36 sets.

    You pays your money and you takes your chance.

    J.
     
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    Or, to be more accurate with these Tosh's, you pays your money and hope for the best :)
     
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    Juboy...

    Yup ... that's what I was trying to say :)

    It does seem like all the manufactures have problems with their sets, but Tosh have a few more than the rest. I've been surprised at the amount of problems on £1000+ sets that I've read about on this BBS. I thought a grand was quite a bit for a telly.

    It seems the only way of getting an almost fault free set is to keep asking for a replacement till your happy or spending an f'ing fortune on high class TV.


    Djg1...

    In my Tosh's case ... I bought it on mag reviews, the look and the performance of my mates 32".

    Having never owned a set this big, I was surprised how the screen amplified cr*p broadcast signals (analouge) and made 4:3 images viewed in WIDE mode look a bit bendy at the edges, but I know how good it can be with digital fare. For it's size, it's not very deep and will fit in the corner of a room or a bay window with ease.

    Now that I've had the TV for a month or so, and having spoken to various people on this BBS, the plus point of mine are ...

    a) The look (not to everyones liking though)

    b) Digital pictures performance (The clone war scenes at the end of Star Wars epII is class, and that's with my Wharfedale 750 ! )

    c) Progressive scan (NTSC)

    d) Component in


    ... and the minus points ...

    a) You can hear the TV buzz when the volume is very very low

    b) Black patches on the left and right of screen, on greens, blues and reds (still talking to the dealer about this)

    c) Bendy top black bar sometimes

    d) It weighs a ton!


    There's a thread somewhere on the BBS that lists all the known faults of the 32/36zd26p. It's worth a look.

    J.
     
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    Whilst I would tend to agree, this demonstrates the problem the manufacturers have. The consumer expects near perfection for £1000 yet the manufacturers are struggling to provide the features and quality people demand at that kind of price and are engineering down, heavily.

    Most manufacturers would be more than happy to provide a truly near-perfect TV to consumers... if they could guarantee the critical mass number of buyers necessary and at a price point closer to £5k per unit :(
     

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