Toshiba 210E or Pioneer DV-444

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  1. aqureshi

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    Hi,

    Can some body advice me which one to buy. What are the differences.

    Cheers

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  2. MattB

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    Hi Asad,

    MP3 playback is a big deal for me as I have many CDRs with up to 10 albums on each and want to be able to play them conveniently without booting up the noisy PC (and skulking around AV forums instead of enjoying music) <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

    Most MP3 compatible DVD players either read the disc as one huge album with 100s of tracks (eg Arcam) or reject discs with a directory structure deeper than one level (eg Cyrus)

    I lent one of my CDRs to a colleague with a 210e but it rejected the disc.

    I have ordered a DV-444K from Laserline as it claims to display the file structure on screen (probably with truncated file names) and should make navigation a doddle. I also prefer the (black) slimline styling to the alternative champagne behemoths!

    Finally, the DV-444 seems like an absolute bargain - a new generation progressive scan player for £250! In the 'States the suggested retail is $450. It may turn out to have chroma bug and probably does not use a trendy chipset for de-interlacing but until I trade my 4:3 Trinitron for a plasma who cares.

    I will post more next week when my player should arrive.

    Cheers,<br />Matt.
     
  3. fabryuk

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    I am not sure about DV444 but I just bought 210, will arrive on Monday.. Let me tell u 210, it is highly rated in What hi-fi, and home cinema choice magazine. Go and get a copy and u know what I mean. Also I only pay £189 for multiregion (not macrovision disable though)
     
  4. ColinHaldane

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    I have just got 444 from techtronics.com<br />On RGB output I have a problem with faint horizontal bars that drift up and down.<br />Particularly noticeable on dark scenes.<br />I'm waiting on Techtronics for some ideas.
     
  5. ColinHaldane

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    Kamakiriad whats this chroma bug you mention?
     
  6. MattB

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    Follow this link for a very clear explanation;<br /><a href="http://http:/www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/dvd-benchmark-special-report-chroma-bug-4-2001.html" target="_blank">hometheaterhifi.com</a>

    As I understand it there is a fault in virtually all MPEG2 decoders, the notable exception being Panasonic, which can cause solid blocks of colour to look striated.

    Personally I think the fault is negligible on a small screen, it has never bothered me and I am fairly critical. Now if you were to magnify the image on a decent projection system that would be a different story.

    I am still very pleased with my DV-444. Contrary to my original post it does not have progressive scan, this is only on the US model (identical part number!) I have not tried RGB connection but S-video output is clean. If I remember I will look for the faint lines on RGB tonight.

    Cheers,
     
  7. Grubert

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    I've had the DV-545 (identical to the 444 as far as DVD reproduction is concerned) for two weeks now. I've played lots of movies and haven't noticed any banding whatsoever. The image quality is superb.

    Maybe there is a problem with the modification job.
     
  8. Nic Rhodes

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    The 444 looks tempting but has had poor reviews in the US. Personally I can't comment on the 444 but Chroma bug players must be confined to the products of yesteryear not current products.
     
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    Grubert are you using RGB?
     
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    Can't speak for the Pioneer, but I do have the Tosh and picture and sound quality are amazing for something costing 3/4 times as much let alone sub £200.You may have read in these forums and elsewhere that the machine has an excessively noisy drive,(Hope I've not opened a can of worms) but to be honest mine has not been a bother at all, lovely machine.

    Cheers

    Si <br /> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     

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