Tootsie Blu-ray Review

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    1. Simon Crust

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      I love this film.

      The cast are all excellent, it is at times very amusing but also works as a romance / drama. The relationships that Dorothy has with Jessica Lange's character and her father are very well done and quite poignant. Dustin Hoffman is fabulous (playing himself apparently as a difficult actor - 'why would a tomato sit down??')

      I have seen it numerous times but want to watch it again now.

      As a child i thought Maureen Lipman was Dorothy.....
       
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      Having Sidney Pollack in it worked very well, a great film.
       
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      :laugh::rotfl::thumbsup:
       
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      Am I the the only one whose Tootsie memories are to do with Geena Davis?

      davis-tootsie1.jpg

      Bri
       
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      Is the UK bluray identical to the US one - accept Region status of course ?
       
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      It is identical. I have to disagree with there being no compression issues with this release. While not as egregious as some, they are definitely there (as they were on the US release). It's the same sort of compression noise you find in a lot of Criterion releases; horizontal or vertical lines where there should be fine grain. Of course it shows up more when magnified on sites like Caps-a-Holic, but the truth is that it should be a problem at all at the sorts of bitrates Criterion uses. Arrow largely avoids the issue even when the same master is used (just compare the Criterion Thief with Arrow's).

      Videodrome is an exception as it's pretty damned good, although still not quite as good as Arrow's.
       
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      I don't think there's any doubt that Criterion's encoding doesn't pass muster when it's zoomed in and nit-picked to death, nor is there any doubt that the most intense encoding challenges (like sparks flying everywhere) trip it up quite badly.

      However, when viewed on my 55" from 6 feet away (in motion, natch) the Criterion encode for Tootsie didn't appear to pose any significant issues. And I think that's the point here: whoever does their encoding for them has a certain threshold regarding quantization which dictates transparency to the source (the lower the number, the closer the encode will be to the original and this is set independently of overall bitrate; the higher the number goes then the finer & more random details are reproduced with less and less finesse, turning grain into blocky chunks, say).

      That threshold seems to be that as long as the encode holds up well enough in motion - grain basically being random picture noise, the inference being who can deduce one set of noise characteristics from another? - then it's good enough to put out. Does it hold up inder a microscope? No. Will the average person on the average TV notice anything amiss? Again, no. To most normal people, any kind of fuzz/grain/noise in the image is simply written off as one of those things, they don't then take it apart forensically.
       
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      Oh I agree that in motion they're not generally obvious, but that's not the same as there not being any. Tootsie doesn't look to be the worst example of Criterion's encoding, but I can't get my head around why it's an issue for them to begin with. Just seems a bit odd to go to the trouble of sourcing these great 4K masters only to have a 'that'll do' attitude to the encoding. I bet if Sony put out its own version it would look better.
       
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      You can guaran-damn-tee that a Sony version would have better encoding, however with a Sony edition of the movie already available on the Continent (with the older transfer) I can't see it being double-dipped for the remaster any time soon.
       

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