Toeing in kef referance speakers ( how to do i do it right )

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  1. Higibuilder

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    Hi guys .... Help :) .. Trying to set up and toe in my kef referance speakers in my new room and need some advice please .. At the moment there 7ft apart and 8" from the speakers to rear wall ....... I'm sat 9.5 ft away ... What am I doing wrong ?????
     
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    What do you mean what are you doing wrong? What do you think you are doing wrong? What is wrong with the sound?
     
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    Just sounds very distant with sound coming from far left and far right and not center'd at all ..
     
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    Have you got them wired correctly so they are not out of phase ie the red output from the amp is connected to the same speaker input on each side?
     
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    Yes .. Double checked
     
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    What sources do you have to listen to, and is the sound quality as you described the same for all of them?
     
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    Yep .. Yamaha ax1 and pioneer 717
    As I use as my av system as well ...
    Sounded great in my old house but this place is bigger .. Strange can't seem to make them sing
     
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    As its a system you are already used to, (apologies for asking this question, but just trying to rule everything out) - as they are part of an av system you don't have some strange sound processing inadvertently selected on the amp?
     
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    No it's just set to direct .. No surround sound settings on
     
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    From your description of how it sounds now, it seems to be much more that a subtle change due to a different room acoustic. Would that be correct or could the acoustic account for it?
     
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    Think it's just the acoustics that are wrong and possibly the placement and toe in
     
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    Are you sure nothing has come loose in the move like any jumper bars on the speakers etc? Does the new room have more hard surfaces or less soft furnishings? If it is room acoustics then will be a fair bit of trial and error. Try toeing in more or toeing out and also move them in or out etc. Does the sound change as you move around the room? Does it sound better in some places in the room?
     
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    Does the soundstage sound better if you sat 7ft in front of them and are they equal distances and away from corners?
     
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    I take it that you have used the amp/receivers eq/mic to calibrate your speakers in the new house / room?..........how far apart are they from each other in conjuction to the listening distance / position?:)
     
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    Hi .. No there's no mic set up .. Wasn't sure you could get one for a ax1 .. Would be very handy ? Distances are listed above if that helps .. Can really try again tonight as its getting late
     
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    ok then! so reset all your speaker output level back to 0 then you need a tape messure and sound meter .........try and position your front / left side channels the same distance from each other as from the listening position and angled / toed in so they cross about a foot or two in front of you.

    see how they sound and if it still sounds to low go back in and turn your levels up by +3db at a time and see how you go.:)

    p.s If you have a s/meter see if you can set the levels to around 75db if not you just have to go by ear.
     
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    You should also have them equal distance away fro side walls and corners, people forget that
     

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