Todd Phillips' JOKER (4 October 2019) Joaquin Phoenix

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raigraphixs

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The Hangover director Todd Phillips in talks to write and direct a Joker origin movie for Warner Brothers & DC
 
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jdevil

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I've always loved Joker's mysterious background and behaviour, it doesn't need a origin story especially from the likes Todd Philips.
 

gavinhanly

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Regarding that "new brand" surely they have to call it Elseworlds? Why bother giving it a brand new name when that works pretty well.

Also note that the first Elseworlds comic for a LONG time has been announced. Maybe related?
 

aoaaron

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They are going to ruin this.

The point of the joker is we don't know his origin and he decides to make up a story every other arc someone asks him about it (or he decides to tell someone).

Best way to solve this film is for it to cover 4-5 alternative stories of where the joker has said he came from and let the viewer "decide" for themselves which one is true, and end with the joker laughing and alluding to all the stories are false.

However I'm sure DC will be really basic and try and do a normal origins storyline. I just don't see how this can be good but DC are hell bent on ruining all of their franchises except wonder woman so they might as well go for it.
 

Rambo John J

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Best way to solve this film is for it to cover 4-5 alternative stories of where the joker has said he came from and let the viewer "decide" for themselves which one is true, and end with the joker laughing and alluding to all the stories are false
I could go for a rashomon style origin story like that, but I think you're right about it probably ending up being a generic origin flick. It'd probably work nicely as animation in that narrative style, though
 

Mark One

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Have to agree with the general consensus, definitely not needed in my opinion. Quite happy with the Tim Burton version and Gotham interpretation.
 

richp007

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One of the best villain's of them all. But doesn't need an origin story. Naturally I'd watch it, but I'm not eager for it. Easily live without.
 

Lusankya

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Have to agree with the general consensus, definitely not needed in my opinion. Quite happy with the Tim Burton version and Gotham interpretation.
They are going to ruin this.

The point of the joker is we don't know his origin and he decides to make up a story every other arc someone asks him about it (or he decides to tell someone).

Best way to solve this film is for it to cover 4-5 alternative stories of where the joker has said he came from and let the viewer "decide" for themselves which one is true, and end with the joker laughing and alluding to all the stories are false.

However I'm sure DC will be really basic and try and do a normal origins storyline. I just don't see how this can be good but DC are hell bent on ruining all of their franchises except wonder woman so they might as well go for it.
I really liked the Gotham interpretation. Definitely all I ever needed to know.
 

djpaulc247

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This is about as necessary as another Batman origin movie.
 

shodan

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Joker is one of the most interesting characters ever created. Like Hannibal Lector.
So they did an origins movie for Lector and it wasn't enough. Took massive leaps and didn't show his development into the special kind of psychopathy.
I fear the same will come of this idea.
Or they could do too much....
Personally, I liked Jay Leto's Joker as he got the subtlety, but I didn't feel like he got the dark and scary love and desire for chaos and carnage that Nicholson demonstrated. Barely controlled animalistic rage...

Joker wants everyone to know he's the smartest guy in the room and he wants to watch the world burn, just to see the colour of it..
 

raigraphixs

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Todd Phillips’ planned “Joker” origin movie will portray Batman’s arch-nemesis as a failed 1980s comedian who becomes the clown prince of crime after bombing with audiences, insiders exclusively told TheWrap.

Many fans scratched their heads when news first broke that Martin Scorsese, who has eschewed superhero films in the past, would be a producer of the film. But his involvement makes more sense given his work on 1982’s “King of Comedy,” which starred Robert De Niro as a deluded comedian who can’t catch a break. The Joker origin story will include nods to that film, insiders told TheWrap.

Joaquin Phoenix
is close to a deal to play the Joker in Phillips’ film, which will show audiences laughing at the Joker instead of with him. The film is eyeing a mid- to late-2018 production start, but an insider with knowledge of the project said it could be delayed by rewrites, which are currently underway by Phillips and “8 Mile” veteran Scott Silver.
 

aoaaron

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leto was crap.
not dark, not frightening, not even truly psychopathic in his portrayal of the joker.

this movie is destined to fail as it stands but i hope im wrong. DC have SOOOOOO many good characters but are hell bent on ruining all of them.

A simple batman vs Joker film would have sufficed. they could have just done the killing joke and showed just how brutal joker is and that would have been enough.. but noooo...
 

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