Todays blu ray players vs ps3 slim

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  1. tyrone burton

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    I just wanted to know if there are any blu ray players that can beat the ps3 or is it still better, I'm asking this because I may or may not be missing out on better players.
     
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    Better in what way ?

    When it was released the PS3 was and still is an Excellent Blu ray player , as good as the rest.

    Because of the cell processor and its software it is also excellent at upscaling DVD's or SD content.

    In terms of what else it can do ( file based playback and so on ) it has been beaten for a long time by the networking and file playback features of a lot of other players , its still relatively noisy as well compared to other players.

    There is also the issue of no HD audio with 3D content , if 3D with HD audio is important to you.

    But if you main concern is 2D BD playback and the noise doesnt bother you , there are no players out there that can beat it , and thats not going to change anytime soon.
     
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    Is that the ps3 that can't output hd audio with 3d content?
     
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    no, not anymore, the PS3 slim can now do HD audio with 3D.

    i disagree with the ps3 being 'excellent' at upscaling and DVD content, its quite average in that dept in my experience compared to other decks.

    its a great unit for its price, but you can achieve better options now, but i do love the ps3, and hard to beat if you already have it, but if you want no compromise, look at oppo or other mid-high range decks
     
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    Oh dear, it looks like I'm going to start a debate war.......FIGHT! Ha
     
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    So it can ! Since update 3.70 , I completely missed that one !
     
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    Few, the ps3 really doesn't have any faults then. One of you mentioned that the ps3s DVD upscaling wasn't that great, what's wrong with it?
     
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    i am afraid its hard to describe to someone unless you have seen it, its doing nothing wrong particularly, it just isnt doing it as well as some other units...lets put it this way, if you were someone who had a huge DVD library and wanted to focus on maximizing your playback of that, i suspect a ps3 wouldnt be on your list, whereas an oppo definitely would, the ps3 doesnt have a decent dvd upscaling engine imho, compared to the renowned oppo units.

    however, if you are about 1080p blu ray playback, the margins are far less and if a ps3 fits the bill for you, you wont be short changed at all, criterion cant be wrong can they, when they choose it as their reference player - but i suspect that was because at one time, less so now - virtually everyone was running blu ray via ps3 and criterion probably wanted to be using kit which was broadly adopted.

    dont get me wrong, until oppo the only unit i was extolling the virtues of, and used myself, was the ps3. its probably the best option if you have less than £400 to spend on a separate deck
     
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    Hmm, so ps3 is best at bd playback but ps3 is ok at DVD upscaling, sounds similar to the way the ps3 upscaled ps1 games it doesn't do it very well, infect making them worse even with the newly added updates
     
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    There are Third party chipset manufacturers like Anchor Bay ( Oppo 83 and many others ) and Marvell ( Oppo 93/95 and many others ) as well as the proprietary chipsets available from most of the big manufacturers , like Panasonics Uniphier chipset and so on.

    All of them do the job differently , the job being trying to add content to SD material that is not there.

    As such , results are a matter of taste , there is no "Better" , only what you prefer.

    The PS3 has an Edge adaptive routine run by a powerful processor that few standalones can match. Many prefer it over others on the market.

    Theres nothing inherently wrong with it , as with all scalers , its just different , if you have been playing DVD's on it for any amount of time , moving to one of the others is likely to take some getting used to.

    See the SD playback section from AVforums review here.
    http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Sony-Playstation-3-Slim-Blu-ray-Disc-Player-Review_92/Review.html

     
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    Wow, thanks for the link andy, that link was quite surprising, apart from it having a problem with 1080i content the ps3 is quite a strong contender with both sd and hd, good to know I'm not missing out on much.
     
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    Since that review they have probably fixed the 1080i content thing.

    They fixed the HD audio ( Which I might add they said was not possible at one time ) with 3D thing and I totally missed that one. The console is updating all the time , and it has the processing power and the resources to handle most things.
     
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    It's usually only tv programmes on disc that that are only 1080i isn't it, well I'll be buying a series of doctor who soon on blu ray so I'll try it as soon as I get it, as you said it may have been fixed or will be fixed.
     
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    Music concerts and some films are 1080i too. As are a lot of the extra's on titles that are otherwise 1080p. Using the PS3 with a Pioneer TV that didn't have HDMI I found even with the latest updates I couldn't play 1080i on my setup. Got to the point where it seemed to be affecting so many titles (especially British ones) I ended up buying a second TV and a standalone Blu-ray player for another room in the house so I could watch them.
     
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    I've just found a movie of mine on blu ray called season of the witch, which is also 1080i, suprising
     
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    AFAIK, firmware version 4.00 fixed the 1080i problems with the ps3.

    I also like the scaling of the PS3, I find it excellent. I have tried an Oppo 93, but on my 40 inch screen, I didn't think it looked any better, just slightly different: both are excellent. Presumeably, on a bigger screen the Oppo would shine more (40 inches isn't big anymore!)

    The following shows an interesting comparison between PS3 and standalone Sony blu-ray player upscaling. Although with real-world content the differences are not as obvious. I had a bdp-s380 and PS3 together for a while, I did prefer the PS3 . Obviously, others may have a different opinion. Try before you buy!!

    I almost forget! I tried a Toshiba bdx1200 player for a while, and on my 40inch screen blu-ray looked the same. DVD upscaling, (again IMHO!), was definitely superior on the PS3.
     
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    Bleeding hell, that was a relief, the 1080i problem was fixed ages ago, thanks for that DrP.
     
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    You're welcome mate.

    BTW, here is the link I forgot to post before :blush:

    Sony BDP-S790: Full Review

    Scroll towards the bottom to see the scaling comparison.
     
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    Wow, quite a substantial difference there. There seems to be more of the image being shown on the ps3 than the bd player too.
     
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    I couldn't be happier with mine. I also play a few games ;)
     
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    Yeah, so do I , nothing wrong with that I say. It's odd really because being that the ps3 is from Sony, you'd think that Sonys newer bd players would completely overtake ps3 as if to improve their technology. Maybe they know that theirs no need because a lot of people by a ps3 to merely watch movies ,and their updating it all the time anyway.
     
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    don't forget that for each setup, it will bring different levels of performance gain, the oppo can do source direct, so of you had a decent outboard VP, then that would likely tick your box more, same can be said for choice of colourspace output, the oppo you can decide, this could me important if something in your chain requires a certain output

    also the dual output may be useful, if you wish to run vid and audio separately, and maybe also dont have a 3d AVR - you may also require certain audio formats that the ps3 doesnt do such as SACD and DVDA

    you could summarise rather sweepingly, that the ps3 is superb in a small, standard domestic setup, and the oppo would lead with a pj or larger screen, in a more complex setup, where the wider range of options can be more beneficial, that then enables us, neatly to say rather than one being specifically better than the other, its more of a case of one being a shrewder purchase dependant on ones rig!
     
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    Well movies are created in ycbpbpr and the ps3 has that option, so that for me would be all that I use for both DVD and blu ray.
     
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    Wait a minute, sorry about that I didn't understand what you were talking about there, yes the oppo might have more hdmi inputs were as the ps3 only has one, and did you mean more Color options for a projector?
     
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    A couple of questions - first, if I am looking to play HD content (720p or 1080p) would the PS3 give as good PQ as Oppo, S790 etc. (allowing for nip and tuck differences)?
    Second - how noisy is a PS3?
    Thanks.
     
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    Well first, the ps3 is quite quiet compared to the first ps3, second the picture quality of the ps3 for bluray content is very good but the oppo is a slightly better, and were DVD upscaling is concerned both are great but the oppo is a little better. ( correct me if I'm wrong people)
     
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    For blu ray content Picture quality from all bd players is as close to the same as makes no difference. Read any player review and they all say the same thing. Data from the disc over HDMI should be and is the same from the vast majority of players and this means the same picture quality when fed to any particular screen.

    Only scaled SD content is likely to show a difference and this is down to the scaling chipset.

    I originally had a fat ps3. Then an LG 390, a Panasonic BD35, an Oppo Bd83, and now an Oppo BD95 , all of them were absolutely identical in terms of picture quality from Blu ray. I still have the ps3 and the two Oppos.

    Being used to the scaler in the ps3 for so long, all the others seemed soft for SD content in comparison, but as said, that's a matter of taste and what you are used too. Some would say that softness was more natural.

    The ps3 was always too noisy for me. Remember it's a fat though. It's the main reason I got a standalone in the first place.
     
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    Tyrone burton - where you have an AVR which is not 3D compatible and is HD Audio compatible you run into problems with your single Output BD Player as the AVR (even if the AVR can 'pass through' the 3D signal) cannot lock to the HD Audio stream.

    A dual HDMI Output player can (in most cases) be set to HDMI A. 3D video (direct to your 3D Display) + HDMI B. HD Audio (with 'blue screen' 2D video) to your AVR (the AVR requires the 2D video stream in order to be able to lock to the HD Audio stream).

    There are external 'workarounds' for this problem if you are stuck with a single HDMI Out - though they are costly!

    Joe
     
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    Are you saying that the ps3 or any bd player with only one hdmi input, has problems streaming hd audio whilst displaying 3d content.
     
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    Just been reading this thread with interest as I am currently thinking of replacing my fat PS3 with a standalone blu ray player, mainly because of the noise and the fact that I don't really play games any more.

    However, my main concern is the streaming abilities of standalone players.

    I have hundreds of movies/tv shows ripped onto my Netgear Stora NAS and at the moment I can play them all via the PS3. There is a variety of file types but most SD ones are .avi or .mp4 and all the HD ones are .mpg files which have been produced by running an .mkv file through MKV2VOB.

    The beauty of this is that my kids can easily navigate to their favourite films via the PS3 gui (with helpful thumbnails) and there is no danger of disks being lost or damaged.

    Can anyone advise me whether a standalone blu ray player which has dlna support (I was thinking of the Sony BDP-S490) would work as well as the PS3 currently does?

    I have tried to read up on this but it seems quite a minefield with people reporting issues with certain file types/codecs etc. I would ideally like to have a gui which is as easy to use as the PS3 (hence why I am thinking of a Sony player) and support for thumbnails when browsing lists of movies.

    If the above is not possible, I might even be tempted to get a PS3 slim to replace the fat, or maybe get a dedicated streamer (such as a WD TV Live) alongside a basic blu ray player.

    Any advice would be appreciated.
     

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