TM700 footage:Which Media Player

[Leo0123]

Hi,

I am looking for a media player which will play the video for a TM700 at 1080 50p?

Has anyone got any suggestions. I have been looking at WD Live but I am not too sure if it will work on that player.

Thanks,
Leo

 

[senu]

Why should it not?
(Ive amended your title)

 

[Leo0123]

Hi,

Sorry just to clarify what are you referring to when you say "why should it not?" Are you referring to WD Live Media player not working iwth the TM700 footage.

I have read that it doesnt work and some say it does. (in reviews) So I am confused, I really only want to buy a media player which works with the TM700 Video camera footage when recording at 1080 50p. So I want to know if anyone can confirm this or know another one which would work.

My Panasoic G20 TV plays AVCHD files via SD Card and it plays all the other HD Videos recorded with TM700 except when recorded at 1080 50p (it stutters/goes really fast). My Windows Media player seems to play all of them again execpt (it stutters/goes really fast) for the one recorded at 1080 50p.

So I want to get a media player which will play the videos.

Many Thanks for your help,
Leo

 

[senu]

Hi,

Sorry just to clarify what are you referring to when you say "why should it not?" Are you referring to WD Live Media player not working iwth the TM700 footage.

Yes, that is what i mean but I dont have the Panny. i do however have the WDTV and it has played pretty much everything ive thrown at it

So I want to get a media player which will play the videos.
Many Thanks for your help,
Leo

I suppose I could try . If you have a short clip you can send as an email attachment, let me know. if nobody can confirm their own personal experience

 

[rogs]

I downloaded a coiuple of raw TM700 1080 50p files and tried them through my WDTV player (the original model, not the 'live' version).
Not good. Could be the fact that the 28Mbps VBR format is not within the existing AVCHD spec, or simply that the USB port can't handle the bit rate continuously?

Anyway - motion judder is bad, and it won't replay the audio after a few seconds.
On the computer (9550 Quad core) I get the best results using the Canopus ADVCHD2HQ preview. It looks OK, but I'm still not impressed with the motion. It's as if the complexity of the format makes the number crunching just too much, even though the CPU reports that it is, at worst, working at 70% on all 4 cores

Not impressed. Get much better motion 'smoothness' from my 1080i footage, automatically de-interlaced in the same preview program.

I'm going to try and convert the samples I've got into HQ, and re-encode into a lower bitrate x264 format. That should confirm whether the motion 'judder' is inherent in the original, or a function of the replay medium.

It could be that the WD 'live', which uses a newer chipset than the original model, can handle these high bit rate 'out of spec' modes better?

 

[p306]

WDTV HD is inadequate to handle 28Mbits/s stream.

Brite-View Cinematube has max bitrate of 40Mbits/s and is capable of doing it.

I have Panasonic HDC-TM700P that records 1080p/60 H.264/AVC.

The CinemaTube | Full 1080p HD Media Player | Full HD Media Player

 

[senu]

Its very impressive and decent cost
What happens when a new camcorder comes out with bitrate more than 40?
Also these high bitrate encoding formats may prove incompatible with many editing software and will give modest PCs a hard time...

 

[Leo0123]

Yes, that is what i mean but I dont have the Panny. i do however have the WDTV and it has played pretty much everything ive thrown at it

I suppose I could try . If you have a short clip you can send as an email attachment, let me know. if nobody can confirm their own personal experience

Hi - could you please send me your email address. I can send you a clip? DO you have WD Live or the WDTV player which rogs has?

 

[senu]

Hi - could you please send me your email address. I can send you a clip? DO you have WD Live or the WDTV player which rogs has?

No worries although not on an open web page and you dont have PM facilites yet due to recent changes
if you email me via the AVF facility I will reply with mine
Mine is not the Live version, It is he same as Rogs . I dont mind the Live version but Im perfectly happy not to stream via a network

 

[Leo0123]

No worries although not on an open web page and you dont have PM facilites yet due to recent changes
if you email me via the AVF facility I will reply with mine
Mine is not the Live version, It is he same as Rogs . I dont mind the Live version but Im perfectly happy not to stream via a network

Hi,

I have uploaded the file to the following location. Its not personal so its ok. Could you please see if it works?

Hotfile.com: One click file hosting: 00004.MTS

Rogs - have you or anyone else on this forum know of a player that will work?

Thanks,
Leo

 

[Leo0123]

I downloaded a coiuple of raw TM700 1080 50p files and tried them through my WDTV player (the original model, not the 'live' version).
Not good. Could be the fact that the 28Mbps VBR format is not within the existing AVCHD spec, or simply that the USB port can't handle the bit rate continuously?

Anyway - motion judder is bad, and it won't replay the audio after a few seconds.
On the computer (9550 Quad core) I get the best results using the Canopus ADVCHD2HQ preview. It looks OK, but I'm still not impressed with the motion. It's as if the complexity of the format makes the number crunching just too much, even though the CPU reports that it is, at worst, working at 70% on all 4 cores

Not impressed. Get much better motion 'smoothness' from my 1080i footage, automatically de-interlaced in the same preview program.

I'm going to try and convert the samples I've got into HQ, and re-encode into a lower bitrate x264 format. That should confirm whether the motion 'judder' is inherent in the original, or a function of the replay medium.

It could be that the WD 'live', which uses a newer chipset than the original model, can handle these high bit rate 'out of spec' modes better?

Hi Rogs,

Thanks for your reply are you on V2 of WDTV. I have started another thread on the following forum:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/stre...s/1273800-media-player-play-videos-tm700.html

A chap called number1jon states the following and have you set it to 1080p50?

It works like a dream on my WDTV (V2) - like the live but with no networking. Be sure to set the output resolution to 1080p50 for that incredibly smooth motion

Cheers,
Leo

 

[rogs]

Thanks for your reply are you on V2 of WDTV.

No - I'm an 'early adopter' I'm afraid, so mine is the original v1.

I found this page :
iboum.com : Future Entertainment Technology : Media Player Comparison Grid

which claims to list every current media player, and makes quite interesting reading.

There appear to be two major chipsets - Sigma and Realtek (Amlogic is a subset of Realtek).

The brite-view Cinematube that p306 links to uses the Realtek chipset, whereas the WD players -and many of the other popular players - use Sigma. But even the different WD players use different Sigma chips!

I'm finding it difficult to work out the maximum bitrates that each chipset is actually capable of, and it may be that some of the limitations are down to firmware, rather than hardware, so future firmware updates may support frormats not currently available on some players.
It's a bit of minefield wading through the specs!!

edit: I downloaded the sample you posted for senu, and can confirm that my WDTV v1 will play it -but not perfectly. For some reason, there is motion judder on part of the file -not all - and it happens in the same place each time. doesn't make any difference if I select 1080p 50Hz or 'auto' as the playback format.
I reduced the sample to 17Mbs from the VBR 28Mbs of the origianl, and that plays fine.
So it is the higher bit rate the WDTV v1 can't cope with. (Or the usb stick reading rate?? -probably not!)

 

[p306]

I have a WDTV HD player as well (the original Mk1 not the LIVE version). Yes it plays the 60p footage from HDC-TM700 but with stuttering movement. It does 60i smoothly though. The LIVE version may work better but I have not tried that.

 

[Leo0123]

I have a WDTV HD player as well (the original Mk1 not the LIVE version). Yes it plays the 60p footage from HDC-TM700 but with stuttering movement. It does 60i smoothly though. The LIVE version may work better but I have not tried that.

Thanks. Does anyone have the live version and could try my sample out?

Hotfile.com: One click file hosting: 00004.MTS

It does look like Brite-View Cinematube would work and doesnt look too bad. Anyone out there who could try my sample file? Or is there any other recommendations of a media player which will work?

Thanks,
Leo

 

[rogs]

I've had bit of a 'wade' through the Sigma data sheets, to try and establish what significant differences there are betweeen them, and which applies to which WD player!

The original WDTV v.1 player - (the one that both Senu and I use) - has the 8635 chip. It is definitely slower than the later chips.

Both the v.2 of that original model, and the subsequent WDTV 'live,' use the faster 8655 chip.

The new WDTV 'live+' unit uses the 8654 chip, which seems to be identical to the 8655, except for the fact that the latter is non-Macrovision. Why that difference between the 'live' and the 'live+' I wouldn't know?

So unless that firmware is seriously different, I would expect that any file that plays OK on the WDTV v.2 is going to play on either of the 'live' players as well.

They really don't make this easy, do they?

 

[Leo0123]

I've had bit of a 'wade' through the Sigma data sheets, to try and establish what significant differences there are betweeen them, and which applies to which WD player!

The original WDTV v.1 player - (the one that both Senu and I use) - has the 8635 chip. It is definitely slower than the later chips.

Both the v.2 of that original model, and the subsequent WDTV 'live,' use the faster 8655 chip.

The new WDTV 'live+' unit uses the 8654 chip, which seems to be identical to the 8655, except for the fact that the latter is non-Macrovision. Why that difference between the 'live' and the 'live+' I wouldn't know?

So unless that firmware is seriously different, I would expect that any file that plays OK on the WDTV v.2 is going to play on either of the 'live' players as well.

They really don't make this easy, do they?

Thanks for your help!!! I dont think i can get the WDTV plus in the UK? I had a look on WD website for UK and its not there.

Re: WD TV Live, best way to 100% find out if my file works is if someone can try it. Is anyone out there who can try it and let me know if it works???

Also, does anyone have any views on the "Brite-View Cinematube" generally or compared to the WDTV Live because from the specs it seems like the video would work with this media player. Anyone out there who can try my video and let me know?

Cheers,
Leo

 

[Leo0123]

Hi All,

I ended up going for the WDTV Live - in the UK it is difficult to get any other media players. Also WD confirmed that the file I wanted to the play works!!

I havent connected the WDTV live yet. Once I have tested it - I will update this thread.

Thanks,
Leo

 

[dapex]

I cant help with your question, but can I ask what you think to low light performance of the 700?? I am thinking about getting the 600 and my only issue with previous camcorders has been in doors with low energy lights and they simply cant handle it???