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Time for a rethink ?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by nicke20, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. nicke20

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    Ive waited what seems forever for hd8 seies to arrive, I have my cables in the wall I have my iscan hd+ at the ready and even though its not available yet, on paper its never going to do native at 50Hz on hdmi, ok so i could send native via the vga port at 50Hz and get one of those little black box things. or even get one of the on offer 7 series 50 inch or 42 inch hd screens from panny, but the 7 seies will not do component via vga and the 8 will. Now i dont like the idea of buying into an old model because its cheap but if i did go via vga native at 50 hz what would be ( and this is speculation) the difference between an 8 and 7 series? also from past experience do panny blades do resolutions at frequencies that the brochures say they dont, or is it cut and dried from the off ?
     
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    nicke20

    I didn't think the Series 8 VGA would go down to 50 Hz. I thought the VGA modes are going to be 60Hz, 70Hz, 75Hz and 85Hz.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Gordon mentioned in another thread that there will be significant improvements between the PHD7 and PHD8 panels. Something to do with the internal processing and improved dark scenes. (link http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234577&page=2&pp=15)
    I've seen the PV500 Generation 8 screen and it looks much brighter than the TV 7th generation plasmas.

    I thought with a scaler, the component will enter the scaler and could output as DVI. and/or HDCP stripper would disable shutting down analogue outputs which means you could use VGA, RGBHV or DVI.

    Would you consider MXE-1 because it can accept native at 50 Hz? I know Gizlaroc doesn't agree. For what its worth Here's what he posted. (link http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235402&highlight=nec+heresy)
     
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    I had a good long demo of pioneers and came away very disapointed, it was in a proper av specialist, the problem was sky just looked naff, very bad judder and micky mouse disney feel to the picture (this is all my own oppinion dont flame me if you have one and love it) After a lengthy demo with an hd7 i was hooked (it was run using iscan hd+ and im 99% certain did 50Hz native via vga ? may have been component, so im fairly certain the 8 will do native 50Hz via vga Anyone ?
     
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    I have downloaded the manual and page 44 has a table listing all 41 input signals available on the D-Sub. 13 of these are available on Component whilst all 41 are available on RGB.

    The only 50Hz signals are

    625(575) 50i
    625(575) 50p
    750(720) 50p
    1125(1080) 50i
    1250(1080) 50i

    Native - 1024x768 is available at 60, 70, 75 and 85Hz

    I think I found the manual on the US Panasonic site but can't find the link now.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Going in VGA you can do 24, 25, 48, 50, 50, 60, 72 and 75 (or whatever you want) on the Panasonic panels, 5, 6, 7 or 8 series.

    The 8 series gives you more greyscale steps when going in on one of the digital inputs, however check out the threads on www.avsforum.com, a few of the guys on there say there is little in it, if anything.

    Seeing as you can get a PHD7 with stand/bracket and a dual slot board for under £2k, and you would only want to use vga anyway with a scaler this would be my choice.
    Put the money towards a better scaler maybe?

    If you are not going to use a scaler the 8 series makes more sense.

    But with a scaler you would just use a dvi transcoder before the scaler to make sure the RGBhv output is not turned off.
     
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    well Gizlaroc you have been trying to point me at the 7 for a while and i think I may just have a hunt and see if i can get a 50phd7 in charcoal with wall mount at a reasonable price, if not it will have to be the 42phd8,

    I did think that I had seen 50hz at native res on a 7 series hd pannel, im glad someone has confirmed it

    Why did panny drop component on the vga port on the 7 ? and will I notice in the realworld a degradation of picture quality ?

    just to make you laugh if i do go 7 series I have a realy nice 5M dvi to hdmi cable from joe plastered into the wall next to the vga cable :(
     
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    I have a DVI cable hooked up too, but I stopped using it because I didn't like it as much as RGBhv, too much noise in the dark areas.

    Where are you located? You are more than welcome to come and see an HD6 set up with a scaler if you want.
     
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    Also ask MAW as I beleive he can get the 50HD7 for a very good price, and also ask Alastair at av sales too as he could get them a week ago.

    I am sure any of the guys who do this for a living and post on here could get them while stocks last and I would rather give them the business than some random comapany, as they will always be about and gladly help you out if you need it.
     
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    Nicke20, I think the AVspecialist you had your Pioneer demo at did not do the Pio justice. There may well be things not to like about the Pioneer, but these problems you describe are caused by poor setup. For folks who are prepared to use strippers, there is little advantage in the 8 series. Of course Panasonic incorporate every improvemtn they can, but TBH you'd be reasonably hard pressed to tell the difference between a 6, 7 or 8 series panel all other things, ie calibration, source being equal.
     
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    I'm obviously very confused about native resolution, listed VGA inputs and actual VGA inputs.

    I had dismissed the idea of a PWD7 plus lumagen because I was informed that it would require frame rate conversion to handle a one-to-one pixel input (i.e. 1024x768).

    This made sense to me because the manual lists the lowest 1024x768 frequency as 60Hz.

    But now experienced posters are stating that you can throw virtually any frame rate at the VGA port you want. I trust their expereince but I'm struggling to compare this with inputs that Panasonic list as supported.

    Can someone please clarify the difference between this 'listed' and 'actual' inputs.

    Also, is native resolution something different to VGA.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    The confusion is caused by history I think. We all call the connection VGA, but of course this is actually a description of the resolution displays used to be, 640/480. The PHD models are truthfully XGA, 1024/768. It is a fact that the Panasonic VGA port is totally unfussy, it will accept almost any signal and give a picture of some sort. Certainly 50Hz is possible, never mind the manual. Mine is running it right now with Scooby Doo on.... 75Hz works well too. Do you want me to post a photo of the iscan settings, or will you take my word?
     

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