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Thoughts on the new Pioneer DBR TF100 Freeview Box ??

Discussion in 'Freeview & YouView' started by cosmic023, Oct 14, 2003.

  1. cosmic023

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    Hi All,

    Just been looking at this unit here.

    I was tempted to buy one soon, just thought i'd ask if anyone else has bought one or was thinking about it.

    What are your thoughts ??

    I've seen in for £99 in Dixons, and that covers my £100 budget.

    Cheers

    Cosmic023
     
  2. cosmic023

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    Anybody ??

    Does anybody recommend anything else then ??
     
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    It's the best so far, imo. I have used the Panasonic and the Nokia 221T.
    The Pioneer is faster and has more features inc:
    "S" out for VCR recording.
    Dolby Digital for future use.
    Now and next info for each channel when you scroll down.
    Multiple stored freeze frames.
    A proper metal case.
    Doesn't lock up.
    Very fast, particularly on text.
    Programmable auto updating.
    Signal strength and Quality meters.
    10 timers with alerts.
    Channels skip and lock.
    Optical output.
    Recommended...
    Regards
     
  4. PhilipVass

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    I have heard it is an ok box:

    Spec:
    Specifications
    Connections
    • RF input (for aerial) connector: female IEC 169-25
    Tuner frequency range: 470-854 MHz (CH21 to 68)
    • RF output (to TV) connector: male IEC 169-2
    Loopthrough frequency range: 47-862 MHz
    (VHF, UHF CH21 to 69)
    RF modulator: Standard PAL I
    Channel: selectable ch 21 to 68. (Default: ch 38)
    • TV SCART
    Output: CVBS, Controlled audio L/R, RGB,S-VIDEO
    • VCR SCART
    Input: CVBS, Audio L/R, S-VIDEO, RGB
    Output: CVBS, Audio L/R, S-VIDEO
    • Optical digital audio output
    Accessories
    • Remote
    • Aerial/RF lead
    • Instruction manual
    •Warranty card
    • Batteries: 2 x 1.5V type AA/R06/UM-3
    • Mains lead
    Miscellaneous
    • Operating Temperature: +5 °C to 40 °C
    • Mains: 230 V +/–10%, 50 Hz
    • Power consumption (W) 10 max
    • Standby consumption (W) 4 max
    •Weight (kg) 1.1
    • Dimensions (w x h x d mm) 260 x 50 x 190

    System capabilities
    DVB compliant MPEG-2 reception of broadcasts
    up to Main Profile @ Main Level
    Video decoding
    • DVB compliant MPEG-2 reception of broadcasts
    up to MP @ ML
    • Video bit rate: up to 15 Mbit/sec
    • Video format: 4:3 and 16:9
    • Resolution: up to 720 by 576 pixels
    Audio decoding
    MPEG layer I/II (excluding multichannel
    management from one bit stream)
    Operation/Features
    • Automatic programme loading via scanning
    installation
    • Free to air reception
    • DVB subtitles
    • Programme parental lock with PIN code
    • Full remote
    • Menu controlled operation using on-screen
    display
    • Menu controlled installation using on-screen
    display
    • 10 events over 10 months programme timer
    • Video still image capture
    • Multibrand TV remote
    Reception-Demodulation
    Demodulation conforming to ETSI EN 300 744
    (COFDM)
    • supports FFT size 2k and 8k
    • All non-hierarchical modes supported.

    I found some screen shots from a website:
    http://www.naturalability.co.uk/forums/pioneer7.jpg
    http://www.naturalability.co.uk/forums/pioneer3.jpg
    http://www.naturalability.co.uk/forums/pioneer6.jpg

    so yea..looks a nice box.
     
  5. cosmic023

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    Hi Philip and JH4,

    Many thanks for the info, i'm glad somebody liked it ;)

    Seems like i'm off shopping again.........

    :D

    Cheers

    Cosmic023
     
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    Forgive my stupidity this morning but does this box do RGB loopthrough on the VCR scart
     
  7. cosmic023

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    Hi All,

    Well i've now purchased one of these boxes, and wow it's cool !! :D

    Haven't had much time to look at all the features yet, but i'm impressed. Been listening to the Kerrang radio station today, while busy round the house, sounds very clean via the optical out.

    Wilf:

    Not sure about your question, as i don't have a video connected to it.

    Maybe someone else can shed some light on this ??

    Cheers

    Cosmic023
     
  8. Kevo

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    It's on my Xmas list :smashin:

    Been waiting ages for a Freeview stb with S-Video out on second scart. And just like the buses THREE come at once...Philips and Sony(?) too!
     
  9. cosmic023

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    Hi Kevo,

    Well not sure about the other two, but i like my Pioneer box, it's a very nice unit.

    As we live in a poor signal area, it still pulls a pretty good signal on most of the channels (average 75%), with the odd glitch here and there. But then i might have to invest in a better aerial ??

    Cheers

    Cosmic023
     
  10. Kevo

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    Crossed it of me Xmas list as I've just ordered one at teh Home Ent show in Manchester. They were selling 'em for 89.00 (£10 cheaper than te hshops I think).
     
  11. cosmic023

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    Hi Kevo,

    Well good for you, and being jammy for getting it £10 cheaper !! :D

    I've started getting into using mine now, and i like it. Also it's the first freeview box that hasn't locked up on me during use, so that's cool.

    Cheers

    Cosmic023
     
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    Well, I am getting a Freeview box in the near future, and this one looks nice; the only minor things that put me off are:
    • No phono jacks for stereo/DPL audio output (I only have a pro-logic amp at the moment, so the optical digital output is no use to me - and even when I do get a DD amp, I doubt it will have 3 digital inputs for DVD, PC and STB)
    • No LED channel display on the box (but I understand that's quite a rarity? I find it extremely useful on my ntl digital Pace box)
    Kevo, what are the Philips and Sony models you are referring to, and do you know if they also have the features I mentioned above?
     
  13. shyewei

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    I too have just acquired a Pioneer STB, looks great.

    Reception is pretty good too, seem to get less blockiness and that annoying high pitch screech with poor reception, so pretty pleased overall.

    The picture quality is very good, very natural sharp pictures, not artificial at all and the remote has basic TV functions for most TV's including my Loewe.
    Changing channels is very rapid and it displays what's on now and next with each channel change - a nice touch.

    Also as far as I know it's the only STB to support dolby digital from the box - shame no-one is broadcasting it though.

    Unfortunately the the 2nd scart cable will only take s-video or composite.
     
  14. Kevo

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    I think there's a few out now that have digital audio out.
     
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    Philips DTR1500

    Has phono L/R audio out

    Sony VTX D800

    Forget this one, does not have phono audio out or s-video out (unlike what I said earlier) and it's the more expensive of the three!
     
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    £100 bit much for a Pioneer.
     
  17. Kevo

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    Not really, considering it has S-video out on SCART1 and 2 AND S-video in on the SCART 2 as well as digital optical audio out.

    Granted, not for everyone's set up, but for those like me who need the S-video out as well as RGB out then it's well worth it.
     
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    A few corrections here!

    You can pick up the Sony online for around £100 now, and I think Powerhouse are selling them for £99.

    It also does have a phono out - the audio socket on the back is a combined phono jack / optical output.

    As for S-video (which Sony call Y/C for some strange reason, but it's the same thing), it is possible to get s-video out on the TV scart via a menu setting, and on the VCR scart socket using smartlink.

    If you want to know more details, Sony have a website specifically for the box, go to www.npe.sony.co.uk.

    Hope this helps!
    Mark
     
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    And the Sony can be mounted vertically or horizontally, as you'll see from the link above. And I personally think it looks better than the Pioneer.

    If I wanted to hook the Sony box up to my amp, am I correct in saying i'll need one of these ??
     
  20. Kevo

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    You can mount most oblong stbs vertically (even the Pioneer).
    I have my Thomson DT1000 mounted this way.

    I don't need some sales blurb to state the obvious!
     
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    If that's the only way available to input to your amp, yes!
    But I'm sure you can get one a bit cheaper than that...

    The December 'Home Cinema Choice' magazine has a head-2-head between the Sony and Pioneer, which you may find useful...and they like the Sony a lot more!

    Mark
     
  22. Kevo

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    But in the latest issue of What Video & TV, they test all three and the Pioneer comes out on top.

    I'm sure if you were to read a few more grouptests then you'd get a different opinion each time!
     
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    Yes for the most demanding users, but for the average user a generic lead like this would be adequate!
     

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    Of course, it depends on what input you are using on your amp; the lead I showed above may not be suitable if you are using the output in digital mode.

    I like the look of the Sony box now, but what is "Smartlink"? Does the thing you are connecting the second SCART to have to be compatible for S-video to work? For example, could I use a SCART-S-video adapter to an S-video input on a PC capture card?

    I still don't know which box to get, but as I won't be moving house until Jan/Feb I don't have to make the decision immediately.
     
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    Yeah, i think i've got a spare lead like that in the loft somewhere. I won't be using the digital option until they start broadcasting in 5.1 etc.

    I only gave that as an example!! ;)
     

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