Theydon's Perpetual Build (AKA Triggers Broom) & LAN Sessions

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  1. moonbeam120

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    Theydon, if possible - move the top drive cage to the case floor - beside the PSU and lower than the bottom cage. this should improve air flow a little, maybe worth 5 degrees C less or so. Not much I know but it's a start.

    Also how do you control your case fans? If its the case controller that may be worth looking into.

    moon.
     
  2. Theydon Bois

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    Thanks for all the advice - this was more of a running monologue - you should all know me by now, the 'tone' would be a little harsher if I was still struggling with it all :D

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The first thing I was going to do was swap the cards around - my original (65) card is at the bottom while the other (69) was at the top, meaning its getting more heat, so in theory, swapping them should kind of balance things. Also, likely to be a mistake, but in Hardware-Z, one fan was reporting to be 15rpm instead of ~1000+

    The other thing that I was going to look at was removing one or both of the cages in front of the fan or perhaps turning the heatsink 90 degrees such as the pics attached.

    So all eager, as soon as I got in from work, my PC was moved from out underneath my desk, the sides of the case are currently off, and the bottom hard drive bay removed. The GPU's were swapped over and its been left on the default fan profile that come with the cards. I am gathering temps while in the desktop via Precession X, or from within the Valley benchmark.

    My PC was off all day, and once booted the cards are idling @ 1) Fan 22%, 33 degrees and 2) F20% 28d

    I ran the Valley benchmark (Extreme HD as usual) and at stage 9 of 18 the temps for both cards are 58 and 60. At the end of it, the temps are 60 and 65. Two minutes after the test has finished, the temps are 62/67. The cards have also been practically inaudible the whole way through.

    Quitting Valley shows GPU1 @ 54d/36% and GPU2 at 44d/32%.

    Now that's far better! :smashin:

    The back went on, and so did the side. The PC is not under my desk still. Currently the cards are idling at 35d/24% and 31d/21%.

    Valley was run again:

    Half way through the test (9/18) the cards are at 63d and 63d
    Test Complete: 68d and 70d
    Leaving Valley run for an additional 2 minutes: 70d and 73d

    I quit the test and Precession X reports [email protected]/44% and [email protected]/37%.

    Again the cards were quiet - the tail end of the Valley test they started to ramp up as the temps hit 70 to keep them cool, but nothing like the noise that I had before.

    This obviously put my mind back at ease, and stops me thinking that I had made a mistake going SLI. :clap:

    This morning, I woke and got ready, but could not leave for work before doing another test :blush:

    My PC went back in situ under my desk, and from a cold start the cards were @ 31/20% and 27/20%

    I ran Valley again, and at stage 9/18 the cards were 60d/60d, at the end they were 65d/67d and two minutes after they were 67d/71d.

    Precession X when quitting from Valley showed: 59/39% and 53/35%

    So, I come to work and that 'air of stroppiness' that always clouds a real mans judgement when he ponders a tricky subject :D has vanished.

    Huzzah!
     

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  3. Theydon Bois

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    No side fans for the 650D unless you mod it yourself - I could not see a side that had a mesh, and the mesh to replace the window seems OOS for a long time.

    Yep this is what I did end up doing. Currently I removed one bay, and left the other hanging, with my Xigmatek 30% covered now rather than 100% covered by bays. I will be looking at removing both cages from the front though and moving one closer to the PSU as shown in the pic above to allow the fan to be completely free - that will come when I order the cables for the second card.
     
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    In the first picture is that a closed loop for your GPU?
     
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    No - sorry for the confusion they are both random pictures I took from a Corsair Obsidean case thread that has about 500 pages - I was looking for solutions to my overheating.

    So currently, my case is a rather messy:

    [​IMG]

    .....that will be remedied soon.
     
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    Ahh
    Not as bad as mine
     
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    Theydon - Have you considered removing the HDD cage completely and place the HDDs in the 5.25" bay? This should improve your cooling even more.

    If you were going to go this route you could consider using these to mount the hdds:

    Hard Disk Stabiliser II

    These do an amazing job of reducing hdd noise for very little cash.

    This would be even better and I have a few of these in use across different pcs as it totally removes all hdd noise from the system and fits a 5.25" bay.

    Quiet Drive Internal HDD Silencer

    The ones above have been discontinued and replaced with these:

    Himuro Aluminium Hard Drive Cooler

    :)
     
  8. Theydon Bois

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    I'll try and dig out some old pictures I took of my 650D later in the evening. Mine certainly don't reach those temps and are bios overclocked too running 1.2mV

    - I removed both HD cages which restricted the airflow of the front 200mm fan intake
    - I Have all my HD's in a hot swap bay iwhich take up three 5.25 bay slots at the front iirc. These are cooled with a 120mm fan
    - The side panel has a mesh instead of window which has a 200mm intake fan/Demciflex filter
     
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    Would replacing the big fan with x2 120mm fans provide better airflow? Top to cool GPU and bottom to cool HDDs? That’s how mine is, although I only use a single card so heat isn’t much of an issue.

    Saying that, if you’re going to move the HDDs into the drive bay then it probably won’t matter as there will be nothing blocking airflow anyway.

    Will be interesting to see what you decide to do and how it all turns out :smashin:
     
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    They would work and give your case extra airflow. Adding a fan in line with your CPU cooler can drop temps by a good 5c.

    The scythe boxes are however superb for eliminating hdd noise totally from a system. If your not sure how much noise your hdd is making go to the power settings in control panel, select advanced settings and then select hdd. Now set hdd to turn off after 1min and you will realise what sort of noise they are adding to your system. Give it a few mins for all the hdds to turn off and then open 1 file on your system for each of the hdds to spin up again. It's shocking how much noise even a green drive can make.
     
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  12. Theydon Bois

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    The front fan cannot be replaced with two 120mm unless you mod it - most people cut the grill out and add there own tray to accommodate this. Also, if the hard drive bays are left as is, the space available is not large enough to fit them, and you end up with acoustic noise build up from the fan and pressure that's worse than sticking a fan you got from a 1998 PC you found in a skip. So people either use the thin Xigmatek that I have used, or remove the drives altogether (using the 5.25 caddy above or moving the hard drive caddy to very close to the PSU) and sticking a Bitfenix Spectre Pro 200mm in the front.

    The 650D is a cracking case, but has a few minor flaws that could have been resolved easily - 2 x 120mm mountings, 5mm extra clearance between caddys and the front of the case.....much like the 550D that came afterwards.
     
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    Sounds like ballache... but all part of the fun I suppose. Nothing worth doing should ever be too easy :)

    Same deal with the R3... a few minor flaws too like non removable HDD cage, which were then remedied in the R4 :rolleyes:
     
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    that was the plan the solid doors are not that dear to buy as well and if you wanted to add a window B&Q do perspex in different sizes,

    i also had this when i had my CM 830 SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.- CFP51
     
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    Submit a ticket or call Corsair on their Skype number. That's what I did and got it free, as it was also out of stock at every retailer in the UK.

    I just told Corsair a load of waffle and managed to blag it for free with delivery included. Came within 3 days from the Netherlands via UPS.

    edit- not the best pics but here it is
     

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  16. Theydon Bois

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    I would thank your post if I could see the pics :D
     
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    Randomly found this bit of 650D porn on Flickr whilst looking on Google Images for sleeved cable pics

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Theydon Bois

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    Love the floating SSD, and I thought the box that the cages rest on is not removable? :confused: Really tidy cable management at the top by the DVD as well!
     
  19. majnu

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    edited the pics above. Yes that box is removable, there are 4 screws that hold it together which are accessed from underneath.
     
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    Manju, what did you to to remove the drive bay covers at the front to get the mesh for the fan and (assuming) hard drives behind it?
     
  21. majnu

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    Mine wasn't plug and play that's why I'm steering you away from getting what I chose. The reason for that is that the cage which houses the 3.5 HD's had to be pushed back further to make clearance at the front for the fan to fit, therefore I had to drill out holes for the mounting screws. Additionally, the cage was slightly wide which meant I had to dremmel out some of the metal tabs in that area of the case for it to slide in.

    I believe at the time most of the cages had to be modified to fit. However, things may have changed since I last visited the 650D owners club.

    The guys in this thread are more up to speed with what will fit.
    Corsair Obsidian 650D Mid-Tower

    Edit -
    You "should" be able to keep the front bay slot covers and install something like this (see below) to mount your HDD's
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/shar...nting-adaptor-for-25-35-hdd-into-a-35-525-bay
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/scyt...sk-into-525-bay-with-noise-reduction-benefits)

    But there will be no fan to cool your HDD's.

    Apparently these work with the least hassle (But my experience in this would advise, whilst the cages will fit, it's the front grill which the fan sits behind people are retro fitting, either by sourcing mesh, buying a Lian-Li front grill and slightly cutting it to fit tight or using magnets)

    http://www.overclock.net/t/907643/corsair-obsidian-650d-mid-tower/3640#post_17590702
    http://www.amazon.com/Xigmatek-Cage...8&qid=1341104985&sr=1-1&keywords=xigmatek+hdd

    http://www.amazon.com/Xigmatek-Cage...8&qid=1341104985&sr=1-1&keywords=xigmatek+hdd
    http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...41104944&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+hdd+bay
     
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    Yeah I was very impressed! So clean and spacious :p

    Non-removable doesn't mean you can't remove it. I've seen lots of R3 mods with no HDD cages... just Dremel out the rivets (oh, I see Majnu has already mention that) :)

    That Lian Li EX-332X looks just the ticket btw.
     
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    Saw the edits Manju, cheers for them - the Xigmatek was the other one I was looking at over the cheaper Akasa. One of your links back to that epic 450 page Corsair club thread (which I was reading most of during this week at work :devil:) helped me spot the internal cages that means I want all black chassis as it does pertrude a bit:

    Corsair Obsidian 650D Mid-Tower

    Then someone had a build and said look at my Swedish website for more pics etc, and he had a Lan-Li front hard drive expansion:

    http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/143-projektloggar/1204350-bygglogg-vattenkyla-650d-samt-minimod/

    So I searched for them, found a few, then came across the one I linked to above which looks like its exactly what I need - vibration mounting, black grilled front to match the 650D front, black casing so that the parts that stick out blend.

    I will order in the next day or so. :smashin:

    Edit: More Lan-Li boxes

    http://www.lian-li.com/en/products-chassis-accessories/#57/1/list
     
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    The heat within my case from the extra card at the moment is not playing nice at all, and probably hampered by being jolly hot at the moment and confined under my desk means that the normal cold air that is expelled at the top of my case is warm instead.

    This is a vast difference to how my case was before SLI, so if this is something you want to do yourself, make sure you have plenty of cooling to accommodate the additional card.

    I constantly have CPUID and Precession X running to monitor temps and while nothing seems to be over heating or running high, but it 'feels wrong' somehow. Probably unrelated, but I have had one BSOD as well, and added to the fact that my internet is suffering dropouts, I am getting slightly miffed to say the least.

    I think I have finally settled on my shopping list to aid my cooling:

    BitFenix Alchemy 8pin PCI-E extension 45cm - White [BFA-MSC-8PEG45WK-RP]

    Lian Li EX-332X Tri 3.5" HDD Mounting Kit - All Black [EX-332X]

    BitFenix Spectre PRO 200mm Fan - all black [BFF-SPRO-20025KK-RP]

    This is another 8 pin sleeve to complete the white sleeving on the other card, the Lan Li hard drive caddy (to allow the removal of the other drive cage and then house all three drives into the space below the DVD while also providing an additional 120mm fan) and a 200mm black spectre to replace the thinner Xigmatek that I currently had (which provides double the CFM at a slight increase to dB)
     
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    The Plan....

    [​IMG]

    A - Replace black cable with white. Tidy these up (possibly cable tie) to make them 'look better' unsure how to word this and will probably spend an hour mucking about with positioning on a cable that is not visible to anyone.

    B - Remove this drive bay from the machine.

    C - Remove and replace fan with Bitfenix Spectre Pro

    D - Remove this cage step. cables are hidden in here will need to be moved to the back.

    E - Tidy these PSU cables. Cable tie and pull more to the back of the cage

    F - Move the hard drives to here, and ensure cables are tidy.
     
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    I look forward to seeing this, as I'm considering a similar setup myself. :D

    moon.
     
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    Temperature Tests

    In preparation for before and after temp comparisons.

    Cold Start

    The PC has been off for about 12 hours, and CPUID started a minute after boot. No fan Profile has been set in Precession X.

    Unsure why the max temps of the cores leapt up to a max of 46 shortly after boot, I will run it again tonight to confirm.

    [​IMG]

    GPU Temps during Valley Run

    valley was run a minute or so after boot. Temps recorded at the middle and end stages, and also two minutes after the run has finished benchmarking, but still running as it continues to heat up - the fan profiles ramp up here as the fans try and keep the temps down.

    Stage 9/18 = 65/66, 18/18 = 70/72, 2mins after = 72/74

    Immediately after Valley

    The Valley test ends and this screenshot is taken more or less straight away afterwards.

    [​IMG]

    Prime95

    A blend test is run, left for 20 mins and while its still running in the background, recorded.

    [​IMG]

    An hour of gaming

    Skyrim for an hour - a few good fights, finished a little quest, then back to town to sell some loot and get some blacksmith skills.

    The GPU and Hard drive temps also increased beyond that of the Valley test. :(

    [​IMG]
     
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    The heat at the moment isn't good. I reckon my 7970 is running at 5 celcius hotter under load than normal. Room temperature was 30 as well:eek:
     

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